Flat Scratching?

I have a question for anyone that has experience with using flat black paint on their hot rods or John Deere Blitz Black specifically if possible...
I noticed that when I painted the interior of my truck (dash, doors, etc) the paint would scratch really easily like leave a white mark or a dull scratch. I don't mean that it indented in the paint or nothing but I mean it left marks. I used good paint too even though it's out of a can (5 bucks a can) and then even used 99 cent cans and they all do it.

I wan't to paint my truck in flat black MAYBE but if it will scratch like this then I am going to stay away from it then.

Thanks for any info on this.

Flats are always easy to scratch. Might be better to use a gloss black with a flattening agent and a spray gun, would be a lot more durable.

how long did you leave it dry, the implement paint i used on my frame took about 3 days before i felt that is was really dry, it doesnt seem to scratch easy now.

oops, i read daves thread and i realized that i got semi-gloss on. flat black always seems a little powdery and rough therefore easy to scratch to me.

53 Chevy, one time on the first coat on the dash I let it dry for a day and a half then went and scratched it and did it again and I waited for a afternoon now and it scratches... Maybe that's it. Oh and that is with the good spray can, the other stuff like the high temp stuff, the 99c stuff, and krylon all scratch even after 2 weeks. Maybe I should go with a gloss paint job on this truck. I don't know WHAT color to do it now. Sucks that I can't or don't know how to use photoshop anymore. :(
I wish I had that 53 Chevy truck too so I can have that as a plain ol Jalopy type hot rod to experiment with like on paint jobs, chopping the top, etc.

Anymore info is still appreciated!
Also thank you Dave and 53. You guys seem to always help me out a ton.

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Originally posted by DennyW
Just rub a little vasoline on it. Make it feel better, hahaha :LOL:

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get you mind out of the gutter ;) , i had to read my thread 3 times before i got it :LOL: :LOL:

Man Denny, you dirty guy. I hope you don't think everyone has what you got, looks like your the ONLY one with that problem. hahaha :p

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Originally posted by FMXhellraiser
53 Chevy, one time on the first coat on the dash I let it dry for a day and a half then went and scratched it and did it again and I waited for a afternoon now and it scratches... Maybe that's it. Oh and that is with the good spray can, the other stuff like the high temp stuff, the 99c stuff, and krylon all scratch even after 2 weeks. Maybe I should go with a gloss paint job on this truck. I don't know WHAT color to do it now. Sucks that I can't or don't know how to use photoshop anymore. :(
I wish I had that 53 Chevy truck too so I can have that as a plain ol Jalopy type hot rod to experiment with like on paint jobs, chopping the top, etc.

Anymore info is still appreciated!
Also thank you Dave and 53. You guys seem to always help me out a ton.

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i think dave is right about using a gloss with a flatener in it, i think you will like the results better. my very little experience with flat black is that its always blotchy when im done, although it was always from a rattle can.

thanks for the helping comment, it always is nice if i know i'm acually helping someone :toocool:

oops, i guess my mind was in the gutter :HMMM: :LOL:

Ok I see what you mean. I need to find some pictures of some John Deere Blitz Black. I remember the one's I have seen before were like a semi flat black and looked good. A guy on hotrod forums before had the John Deere Blitz Black on his 55 and it looked sweet with all the chrome work done and looked real good.
I need to look for more idea's on the color now too. Now sure if I want to go with the flat black. Reason I want to go with JD is because the price. I don't have no 1000 bucks for JUST materials or not even 800, etc.

Thanks for anymore info, comments, oppinions such as what color you think would look good, etc.

check out omni paint. i painted a 68 ford with a yellow enamel from them and i dont think that i cost much over $100 bucks

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Originally posted by DennyW
Just rub a little vasoline on it. Make it feel better, hahaha :LOL:

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:LOL: :LOL: :LOL: :LOL: :LOL: :LOL: :LOL:

If you use rattle cans to paint it, then every time you get a scratch, you just give it a little shot of paint and it's good as new :LOL:

Yeah Tech, until you already used two more cans (10 bucks) to cover them up again. By the end of the summer I will have about 10 inches of spray paint on the darn thing if I keep doing this. lol

On the last page in my gallery, there is a 32 5-window highboy painted flat black. This is the "high-end" solution. This car has a single stage catalyzed black urethane with PPG flattener added. I used the formula for totally flat. I tried the semi-gloss formula on a 32 pickup, but had trouble with the uniformity of the finish. The total flat looked great! I haven't heard from him, so I assume it's doing well. The repairability is something I haven't dealt with yet....but it won't be 99 cents! I think the flat black will always be a problem when it's time for repairs. You sure can't sand and buff your problems away!

John Deere BB is the cat's pajama's for suide black, and durability and price.
Blitz Black paint / TY6416 / $23.00+
Primer / TY6457 / $24.00+
Reducer / PT158 / $14.00+

Just call your local JD dealer.......

Hope this helps.... The Naked Ninja:whacked:

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Originally posted by FMXhellraiser
Ok I see what you mean. I need to find some pictures of some John Deere Blitz Black. I remember the one's I have seen before were like a semi flat black and looked good. A guy on hotrod forums before had the John Deere Blitz Black on his 55 and it looked sweet with all the chrome work done and looked real good.
I need to look for more idea's on the color now too. Now sure if I want to go with the flat black. Reason I want to go with JD is because the price. I don't have no 1000 bucks for JUST materials or not even 800, etc.

Thanks for anymore info, comments, oppinions such as what color you think would look good, etc.

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Not all auto paint is expensive, look at martin senour paint ( Paint from NAPA ), the paint I'm looking into is 125 a gallon+ 25 for primer and like 10 bucks for reducer, I shoulden't need any more than 1 gallon of paint, so basicly 160 and I'm set, it's single stage acrylic enamel which is easier to paint than BC/CC paints. Even look at that 35 dollar paint that someone pointed out on here, theres enough colors to be considered a fair selection. Daytona Electric blue would be nice for your truck, and it's available on that site for the 35 bucks. this is the site http://home.att.net/~brer/products.html

Thanks for the info guys. DHOTROD, that is what I am thinking about doing the truck in with gloss black flames. Does that John Deere kind of paint leave those scratch marks easily? I know any paint scratches but I mean will it leave that dull mark like flat spray can paint does even if you rub it? Also Matt, I wish there was a bigger picture of that paint because that stuff is cheap and I wonder how well it works. That blue is cool too. If I went with that stuff I would do the gloss black and metallic blue flames on that one. Then that would mean I would have to change the paint scheme on the 48.

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Originally posted by FMXhellraiser
Thanks for the info guys. DHOTROD, that is what I am thinking about doing the truck in with gloss black flames. Does that John Deere kind of paint leave those scratch marks easily? I know any paint scratches but I mean will it leave that dull mark like flat spray can paint does even if you rub it? Also Matt, I wish there was a bigger picture of that paint because that stuff is cheap and I wonder how well it works. That blue is cool too. If I went with that stuff I would do the gloss black and metallic blue flames on that one. Then that would mean I would have to change the paint scheme on the 48.

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Nope Mr Raiser.........scratching it is no problem......it's a very hard durable paint. It's designed for farm equipment and outside weather condition's and wear and tear.

if your looking for an implement blue, here is New Hollands blue. i'm sure its as cheap as other impl. paints

Thanks DHOTROD. I think for now I may just go with that flat black. I like Matts link thought too with that paint. Anyways, Chevy the pic never loaded or came up. ???

Ok, nevermind there that big old thing is. lol Isn't a too bad looking of a blue, I would rather have some metallic flake in it and be darker but not bad. Thanks.

If you spray matt finish clear on it you'll still have flat black....

Shawn---my 2 cents worth. The new Honda sports utility vehicle has a lot of flat black panels and fenders on it. It is a really good looking flat black. I don't think they would use it if it scratched easily. You might try calling a Honda dealer to get some information on that paint.

This is my first post ever here. I just felt compelled to ask FmX, why would anybody in their right mind intentionally try and scratch their paint?

he is trying to find paint that WONT scratch

Brian thanks for the info man! I will do that and check it out.

Bump!
Matt, do you know where that site of that paint you said to use for 35 bucks went? I was going to look into that paint again and see about buying it. Also I see that John Deere makes the same kinda paint that blitz black is but has it in medium gloss AND in high gloss black...
Anyone seen anybody use this before? I am thinking maybe the medium gloss and then high gloss flames taped out for the heck of it. I am trying to look into a nice color paint that is cheap but no luck finding any and looks like John Deere crap is my only choice I guess....

Thanks. :(

Don't know if this will help or not.....
http://www.eastwoodco.com/jump.jsp?i...erID=11&KICKER

Tech, thanks for the info but now I am trying to say away from the flat if I can. I would love to just have a nice two tone gloss finish but can't afford no HOK or PPG paint. I can maybe afford about 800 bucks on all the materials like primer, paint, thinner, hardener, clear, etc. That's all I can afford right now.

Dupont makes a flat black in there hot hues line. It is called hotrod black. It is a urethane that mixes 1 to 1 with hardener. I have used this on several cars and had very little problems with scratching. It comes in Qts and every one matches since they are factory packs from Dupont. The hot Hues line also has basecoat colors and flat clears. You could also use dupont basecoat with flatten agent. Josh:)

Josh, do they have gloss colors in that Dupont paint and how cheap is it... I am actually trying to stay AWAY from flat to tell you the truth. I just seemed to find the JD BB flat paint was cheap and thought that I will have to just deal with it... That was until I went to the local JD dealer and they have gloss black and on hotrodders.com a guy on there has a hot rod painted with the high gloss JD paint and he said it is the best 35 bucks just on paint he has ever spent and that it's not fading at all, really hard to scratch and looks really good as long as the body work is done correct of course.... So now I am so far with that color but until then I don't know... I would love to two tone the truck with silver on top and black on bottom or visa versa, seems to give it a more lowered look or not as tall of a roof, etc if you know what I mean.

If you are going to two-tone it I would use dupont 99k black base and a silver of a newer Honda. These silvers have a chrome look when next to black. Using basecoat would save you a lot of time and there would be no edges. The downside is the cost. Black base $35.00 a Qt., Silver base $55.00 a Qt., Reducer $40.00 a gal., And $200.00 fo clear. If you wanted something really different, Use flat black with gloss silver. You could even run a white pinstripe on the two-tone line.