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:LOL: :LOL: :LOL: You were WAAAAAAY too young for alzheimers at that age. :D Funny story.
Just last night I was trying to find the TV remote. Picked up the cat and everything off the sofa looking for it. It was in my left hand the whole time. :eek: The home isn't too far off in my future. :o
Don
Look at it this way Don....... At least you weren't punching the cat and waiting for the channel to change!!!!!!:whacked:Quote:
Originally Posted by Itoldyouso
They say loss of "Electronics" is the first thing to go!
Car is looking wild Don, that is going to be a bad shoe. FYI a bud in our car club found 6 of those, 2 4dr (1-49,1-50), 4 2 dr's (2 of each) All for sale, been under aluminum carports for years. Cool cars, I would love to have one to do along with ya.
Come on Brick, let's build 'em side by side! :D You know you need another project. :) Dan and I have come to the conclusion that this build is so much fun because normally we start with marks on the garage floor and build the entire car from scratch. This one is an old car that is already there, we just have to make it better. That, and it is nice to build a custom as opposed to a hot rod for a change. I think that girl on Livin' the Low Life swung us over. :LOL:
Tomorrow we have the whole day to work on it and hope to have the front posts completely welded up and be moving on to the rear portion. Last night he and I went to the shop for a few hours and spent more time making the front posts fit tighter. We decided that the top needed another 3/4 inch taken off the front posts to get a better profile, so we cut that much more off. Then we probably had the top off 10 times more ..........grind a little and see how it fits, and then grind some more.
It is pretty much there now, so tomorrow we are going to make some little backing plates to slip into the bottom part of the post, then when we weld up the gap we can get a hot weld with no burnthrough. These pictures are of what we got done last night, no super fantastic progress, but progress none-the-less. Dan found a second door in Oklahoma, and it should be in via Greyhound Bus sometime this week.
Don
I know your right Don, and I even brought the idea up to momma, I don't think she is againest. She hasn't said but she will as soon as she stops throwing things and ranting about my other 3 "Projects" not getting any attention and other things going back into the 60's I think she'll come around. How they can store that much information is beyond me, I can't remember where I took her to dinner last friday!
Are you going to keep the wing windows in the doors?
I got a pic of one of those garages in arkyville.
I like the look of this chopped and lowered one
http://i217.photobucket.com/albums/c..._Ford_0291.jpg
Brick, you are so right about women and their memory. When my ex and I would have an argument she would throw up stuff from 20 years back and be able to quote chapter and verse about what I was wearing that day and where we were. :eek: They have us at a disadvantage because we remember stuff for like 5 minutes then our brain makes room for more important things, like car stuff. :LOL:
Yep, we are going to leave at least the front windwings. Probably not the rear window ones though. That one under the carport looks pretty solid.
Steve, that is about the amount of chop we are doing. We aren't going to slant the pillars but leave them straight up and down. But essentially the same as that one.
Don
Don,
You guys are doing a great job. Chopping that thing must be like chopping a egg :LOL:
Ken
Thanks Ken. It does have some curves to it that we aren't used to. :) We did a little more yesterday but didn't get done as much as we hoped.......we ran out of mig gas and ran to Northern (only place open on Sunday). They moved the store and the new one doesn't carry exchange gas yet, so we had to drive to another one that did, which ate up another couple of hours. :mad:
And Dan is being his usual picky self, so the top had to come off and on a bunch more times because the "gaps were too big." Looked good to me, but not for him. :D Then we had to pie cut the bottom posts one more time to get them to line up better yet. He finally got the bottom posts all welded up (forgot my camera at the shop) so we are making progress.
His first new door showed up today and of course it was slightly dented by UPS. Nothing major, just a small oil can dent that we think will pop right back out. We'll run that to the shop tonight but probably not get a lot done as Mondays are his tough day at work and he usually wants to relax when he gets home.
One thing we are finding the more we grind is that the metal under all that surface rust is really nice. No pitting and it shines up great. Media blasting and maybe dipping of the doors should reveal a pretty good car to work with.
Don
Don, (rest after work)tell him that's what old age is for and he will get plenty of reat later on in life. ........LOL
If I rest after work my sisters are ready to call the undertaker ( I can't lay still for to long they think I'm dead.)
Hang the door and take a picture for us.
BradC
Thats going to be sweet, I really think that is cool when they chop the top and chop the front wings too, it's a hell of alot of work but looks "Kewler than Murphys hat!!"
Ya that one in the pic is nice but there is one on the other side of it that still has the bone white paint and had a 428 BBF in it. Everything is still around there in various hiding places, the good ol boys arn't real friendly and cameras are for sure a no-no. I snuck that shot while we where pulling out.
Brick, they might think you are a Revenuer or something if you start bringing that camera out ! :eek: :3dSMILE: Probably what that BBF is for. :D
Brad, ok, you asked for it. Here are some pictures of the door we hung tonight........well, not actually hung, but propped up in place. :)
The shipping damage from UPS was a big old oil can dent, but when Dan tapped the backside of the door with his fist it popped right out like it was never there. No wonder, these doors are about twice as thick as today's cars. We stripped the window channels out, removed the hinges, and cut the top off of the door so we could slide it into place to see how it looked. It is going to be a piece of cake to make it fit well, not too much to do to it at all.
It sure made it much easier starting with tudor doors rather than having to put a 6 inch piece into the fordor doors to make them the same. He is also going to use tudor quarter panels so that there will only be a small area to fill in. We took some pictures, the first one shows the difference in length between the fordor doors and the tudor ones. There are also some minor differences between the latch mechanisms on the '49 and '50 doors, but we can graft the correct latches onto the doors when the time comes.
Here is what we got done tonight, not a ton of progress, but progress no less. To be honest, we aren't near the stage where we need the doors yet, but we just had to get one on to see how it was going to look as a tudor. :p
Don
That looks real nice Don. I like it. You guys don't mess around. A month ago this one wasn't even on the drawing board. There's nothing like a little unexpected side project huh?
Yeah Bill, and some day we may even have one THAT RUNS! :o :LOL: It is actually coming along pretty quickly considering that we have only had it for a couple of weeks or so now. It might be tough for Dan to figure which one to drive to Turkey Run next year. We will have to get some advice on how to chose from someone else who has multiple cars........like you. :D :D
Did you see the parts I scored from Paul (ratty 46)? I got his flathead, tranny, banjo rear end, and front end assembly that he is not using in redoing his '46. I have been dragging this picture around with me for 50 years, swearing I would clone this car someday. Guess where the parts are going to go. :D I love the look of this T and am going to do it pretty much as you see it in this picture.
Don
Boy those projects are stacking up! Should be a cool one when done!:)
I sat in a T similar to that once. It made ya feel like you were going to fall over the windshield at any minute!:eek: The vertical steering column was a pain to get your knees around, too... Still, it's a cool look. Is that a 5-gallon can for a gas tank on the back?:HMMM:
Anyway, it would sure be cool if you could find Larry Selmer (if he's still alive) and maybe get some more pics of the original. It would also be interesting to know what happened to the original car.:confused:
Dan is going to use 2-door quarters? I just assumed he would use the skins and window frames (modified) off the original rear doors. Are repops available? I'm anxious to see the door post installation. This could change my whole attitude about the usefulness of 4-door cars!:D
Yep, it sure looks like a 5 gallon laquer thinner can to me too. :LOL: I bet you are right about the seating position, but I sure do like the stance of this thing. One thing I would do different is to slightly pie cut the frame right at the firewall so it bends downward a little there. That way you wouldn't have to slant channel the body as deeply as he did, yet get the same look.
I have googled Larry Selmer and looked on forum searches, but all I get is Selmer Tennessee and the drag race accident there a while back. I would love to know what happened to the original car too.
As for the sheetmetal on Dans car, he could use a lot of the original 4 door stuff back there, and probably will, but if he uses new quarters from a tudor it saves a lot of sheet metal work and turns it into more of a tudor in reality. He has to cut out that sail panel to get the roof to flow more smoothly, like a tudor, so in that area he will probably use some of the correct panels just to save some fabrication work.
Another thing we are kicking around is setting it on an entire S10 frame, rather than just subframing the original frame. That is still in the talking stages yet, but the reason we are thinking about it is that he has to build a whole new floor anyway because of the modifications he needs to make to let it drop to the ground, so it would be no problem to make the S10 frame fit. Dan also knows the S10 frame well because of airbagging so many of them.
The wheelbase on the extended cab should be close to the 114 inches of the Ford, and we can make it longer or shorter by just cutting the factory welds and sliding the rails in or out. GM just did it that way so they can use the same frame for all their different length trucks. Makes it pretty easy to stretch it out. But that is all just talk right now, and we will probably go back and forth before we make a final decision.
Don
Looking great, Don! I think the full S-10 frame is a great idea, given the circumstances. Probably save you a lot of time and $$ in the long run.
Hey Don
I was browsing ebay today and saw this tudor for sale. These things are gaining in value. Maybe you guys will start a new trend!
http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/Ford-...spagenameZWDVW :D
Great looking project there, Don; I have a soft spot for Ford "boxes" - my first car was a '51 tudor, and I did it up smart for the times, for a poor boy's street driver. When I saw this after the roof was re-set, it reminds me of a Victoria roofline; that was probably the prettiest shoebox Ford ever, in my estimation. I had a pal back in the early sixties who had a '51 Vickie, but he preferred the '49 - '50 style, so he stuck some '50 front sheet metal on it, srtipped the chrome spears off of the taillights, and confused the snot out of a lot of people.
Don-That's the style T I always liked...............until I saw yours finished!
Ken
Falconvan, Thanks. Yeah, normally I am not a fan of frame swaps because the car sometimes comes out looking like a 4 x 4 when done and the tires don't fit in the wheelwells correctly. But in this case I think it does make sense, and we can stretch or shrink the wheelbase to the same 114 inches that the '49 has.
Steve, you are right, these are getting pricey, especially the tudor versions. We will have a lot of work in converting it from the fordor, but we work cheap. :D
Rrumbler, thanks. I bet people were confused by changing the '51 around like that. I had forgotten that Ford made some changes between the '49. '50' and '51 models until we started putting the '50 doors on this '49. The door handles are different and are lower on the door. Subtle little changes like that.
Ken, thanks. See, you've been a bad influence. I want a hot rod for every day of the week just like you. :LOL:
We have moved back onto working on Dan's '29 again. He wants to get it out of the way so he can start in earnest on his '49. Today we put in 12 hours finishing up most of the welding on the frame. That baby is gaining weight let me tell you. :eek: We had to keep flipping it over so Dan could weld all the stuff on and I am really sore from the workout. We must have flipped it over 10 times and our gantry crane is tied up holding his body, so we had to do it manually each time. Has to weigh 400 lbs right now.
Here are some pictures of where we ended up tonight. All the little stuff is welded on like radiator mounts, engine mount, transmission mount, all three rear cross members, and we also got both nerf bars mounted. Next step is to build the steering box mount and get it back up on wheels to check clearances and all.
Don
If I had the money, and my wife would be out of town for a couple of days, that car would be mine. To many if''s, and she is watching what comes in, she is ok with the out going cars. That is a good deal.Quote:
Originally Posted by stovens
Richard
Don, that frame looks great; you are putting out some quality work. I wish I had that kind of talent. Looks like fine art. Working with your sons, must be great.
Richard
Don,
That really looks good! Nice gusseting and detailing. When it is all done I think the extra weight is an asset. Your back doesn't think so though :LOL:
Ken
Don
I was wondering about the pauses in posting on this project, as you guys seem very motivated and work hard on these projects. I understand the need for distractions at times, while you let an idea stew on it. I think for some having two going at once helps, for me it would be a disasrter! I get disracted enough with just the truck and my life!
So how about the pink roadster?:LOL: :3dSMILE:
Thanks Richard. You are right, working with my Sons is the best part of the whole deal. I don't get to see Don as much as I would like because of his work schedule, but we usually talk every day or so on the phone.
Thanks Ken. Yep, the extra weight should make it ride pretty well. It sure is heavier than a T bucket frame.:) Surprisingly I don't feel too bad today, I guess a good nights sleep and some Excedrins helped. Even Dan was dragging last night when we got home, and he is in better shape than me. Every time he would weld on another part the thing was harder and harder to flip over. He still is going to box at least the front part of the frame so at that point I don't think the two of us will be able to move it around any more.
Steve: IT'S PURPLE!! :D I saved a picture just to show you the color it really is. This '32 was the one I saw in a magazine and made me decide what color to paint mine. I haven't done a thing to mine lately. I'm sort of in a holding pattern because of Dan's two projects encroaching on my part of the shop, plus I am getting ready to drive to Georgia to pick up the '46 Ford running gear I bought from a fellow forum member.
Don
If your heading up 95, stop on by! Ill take ya to lunch or dinner.
Thanks John for the offer. We are going straight up 75 though. How about you buy me a beer at Garlits in August...........then I'll buy you one. :D
Don
Sounds like a plan!
You sure that's purple it looks pink with those red wheels..........LOL
If I make Garlit's in August I will buy both of you Dinner.
BradC
I don't know Brad, have you seen Hotroddaddy and me eat? You might have to take us to a buffet. :LOL: :LOL:
It would be nice to finally meet you though. :)
Don
Don
Did the color fade to pink over the years in the hot Florida sun? Your frame looks the same color as the car above, but the old pics of your car look a bit pink! All kidding aside have a good trip up to Georgia, I'm headed up to Santa Rosa to pick up my transmission today! :3dSMILE:
I don't know why, but that color always photographed pink. One thing I have to say about the Dupont Centari paint I used, it really held up well for being 20 years old. I know it is old technology compared to some of the new stuff, but with the hardener in there it resisted dropped wrenches, stones, etc and never really faded much. In fact, even where the body protected it from the sun it is not any different than those parts where the sun beat down on it. And, I wasn't shy about using the car daily. Most days it sat outside my work all day long with no cover on it. I guess that is why experts say go with a good brand of paint for the long term results.
Have a safe trip to get your transmission. I'm probably heading to Georgia in two weeks to get my stuff. He still has to remove more of it from the car before I can go up there.
Don
Hijack mode Don
Any suggestions on paint for the transmission? I'm thinking basic black, would engine paint work? Primer first? Thanks, Steve.
Depends on what you are looking for Steve. The nice thing about engine enamel is that it is a one step deal, no priming needed. We painted the rear brake drums and pumpkin in my Kids T with spray can engine enamel and they look fine. If you are looking for a show car finish then the usual primer and top coat of paint is the best though. But for stuff you never or seldom see, sure, engine enamel is good.Quote:
Originally Posted by stovens
Like everything else, prep is the key. Thorough cleaning and degreasing will make it look the best and let the paint adhere better too. We all cheat and use bug bombs sometimes. :3dSMILE: :3dSMILE:
Don
Any issues with heat release being inhibited by painting the transmission housing?
Thanks Don. I looked around and didn't find anyone advising against painting the tranny. The transmission shop guy seemed to think it was ok, but said it may increase the temp of the transmission. So after trying to find the thread you posted with radiator shops you've used, without luck, where did you get your radiator? Thanks, Steve.:3dSMILE:
Heat won't be an issue at all. My TH 350 is primed and painted with regular automotive paint and it doesn't discolor from heat at all.
Got my radiator from PRC. Simply great people to do business with in every respect.
http://www.prchotrod.com/
Don