Bob when you started out I thought sure you were heading toward kidney stones. That's the way I found out I had them about 40 years ago. I have had them go up through the you know what and break them up and as the Dr said we drag them out. The last one was 17 M.M. they used a laser on him. By the way if anyone has to have them out the laser is the way to go. Good luck with your 5 holes healing up and other things getting to normal. Getting old is getting old (74 )