Let me start by simply saying I'm sorry.
Normally I practice a little more restraint, unfortunately recently I let my temper defuse my restraint. I'll try not to let it happen again.
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Let me start by simply saying I'm sorry.
Normally I practice a little more restraint, unfortunately recently I let my temper defuse my restraint. I'll try not to let it happen again.
We're all human, my friend, but it takes a man to apologize.
Em
Gibbs Rule # 6! Never Apologize its a sign of weakness:LOL: Pete (Yea I watch to much TV(Boob Tube)
You're a class act my friend:)Quote:
Originally Posted by 36 sedan
BTW, I have a couple high horsepower degrees and I've heard it all from those who think they know everything, "...Piled higher and Deeper...", "Please hire. Desperate", "Pizza hut Driver", etc., etc., etc... My favorite is when a young engineer wanna be starts a conversation, "Well I've been doing this for five years now..." I laugh on the inside and restrain myself as I typically have socks older then they are.
In the end, I don't necessarily want to be the smartest guy in the room, I hope to be the wisest and try real hard to remember to talk less and listen more. Proverbs 17:28 says, "Even fools are thought wise if they keep silent, and discerning if they hold their tongues."
I appreciate the passion of the people who regularly participate and I've given myself a couple "time-outs" over the years. There is still no car site I go to more often nor people that I enjoy more than CHR!
Regards All,
Glenn
Glenn...
Buy some new socks.
At the end of the day, I believe you had " Everybodies Safety " at heart so really no apology necessary. What this site and 99 % of the members are about is building vehicles that are safe to been driven across town or across country with no risk of harm to fellow people or themselves. If you saw a weld on my car that you weren't happy about, I would expect you all to point it out before it became a major issue thanks and especially when it is a structural part of the car.
You have nothing to apologize for, and no reason to be sorry.Quote:
Originally Posted by 36 sedan
Too Funny!!Quote:
Originally Posted by firebird77clone
I think there's a lot to apologize for simply because it's IMPOSSIBLE to judge the structural integrity of a weld from a photo taken from a significant distance away. Anyone who doesn't understand that doesn't know much about welding, regardless of what claims they make. A whole lot of the MIG welds done on my frame by Oze look a lot worse than anything I've done.
That extended tirade was entirely made up from the poster(s) imaginations. Several members decided to jump on the band wagon and join the bashing with no evidence of any problem, other than the unsubstantiated allegations posted by 36 sedan. I'd be embarrassed to have been part of the bashing.
As I noted, I've been welding for over 40 years and never had a problem with anything I've welded. I've even done production stick welding, but of course I have no way to prove that.
Suddenly I get accused of not knowing what I'm doing and also lying about being a mechanical engineer, in addition to my alleged poor welding abilities. I'm not going to waste my time with a forum that's dominated by a small group of bitter old men who act as cyber bullies and hide behind claims of "protecting public safety" to justify the bullying.
When bicycling was my main hobby (for 25 years), I made over 20,000 posts on several different cycling websites and never had a problem like this. Some of these forums had fairly strict moderation and members could be banned for tirades like the one made 36 sedan.
Dave,
Please keep in mind I first started with a concern of safety and suggested you check your equipment adjustments and technic. The arguments and justification of your welds were not my comments, go back through the posts to confirm. I saw genuine concerns and suggested a safety issue, your pictures showed signs of weld undercut, too much heat in front of the weld and concave porous fill. All classic weld/technic problems, I then suggested a weld test. Your idea of a test consisting of jumping up and down on the frame may have been in humor, unfortunately I had no way of knowing you had such dry humor. The thought of someone being harmed (including you) irked my ire.
http://www.esabna.com/us/en/educatio...g-of-welds.cfm
As an engineer you know this. You also know the importance of safety and safe practices. For you and the public. I'll re-iterate I was genuine in my concern for your safety. If the pictures were poor (which I asked in my first concern), you could have simply posted better pictures. Or you could have said, thank you for your concerns I'll look into it and this would not have escalated.
Nuf said, I'll practice restraint...
Apologies for any insults towards education, not my intent.
36 sedan:
I know a decent weld when I see it and I make acceptable welds. You've never posted anything that makes me think your opinion is more valuable than mine. Are you a professional welder?
As an engineer, I also know the huge amount of force it takes to break, even a small piece of bar stock, or that same piece of stock, adequately butt welded together. In the case of the 1/8" x 1 " stock, it's area is .125 square inches. If the steel has a tensile strength of 60,000 psi, it should resist a force of 7500 lbs. With that in mind, applying a force of only around 1000 lbs to it was a trivial test, but if the welding I did was really poor, it might have broken it apart.
In the real world, structures are designed with a safety factor that is many times the actual load. That's why those shock mounting ears are made of 3/16" x 2" steel and there's about 8 inches of weld length all around them. That creates a large safety factor. You'd have to make some really pititful welds for a bracket like I made to fail. Here's some information of safety factor.
https://www.engineersedge.com/analys...ety-review.htm
As I see it, there are a number of forum members who dislike me and take every opportunity to made rude remarks. If that makes you feel good, have at it, but you'll have to use someone else as your punching bag.
Seems strange that over the years-----------engineers main purpose on a project seems to be production speed, and working to a standard that equates to an acceptable failure rate of the finished components--------except in the nucleur world
This thread started out as an apology. Either accept it or move on. An olive branch was presented, not much more to say!
Practicing restraint...
Interesting post in an APOLOGY thread, Jerry. The simple fact is that without engineers to design cars, engines and associated gear, you would have nothing to work on except plowing the back forty with a mule. I'm sick of your cheap shots. Move on. I am.Quote:
Originally Posted by jerry clayton
Glad to read your response Jack-I thought you probably had me on an IGNORE list as you haven't ever seemed to want to pay any attention to any of my suggestions concerning your lack of understanding on radiators and heat exchangers as related to cars
And even no response about if there was any of your old home town stomping grounds that you'd like a current photo of before one of my recent road trips
Jerry, my radiator, A/C and trans cooler work just fine - after I took advice from people I had respect for. Besides, I wouldn't ban you . . . I enjoy the comic relief you bring every day.
Come on guys this is suppose to be about bashing me, don't steal my light!
Sorry, folks! The Missouri Mule in me sometimes kicks when poked with a stick. No mas. No mas. :)Quote:
Originally Posted by 36 sedan
SOB! I never got to see all the pictures that has so many people butthurt... Now I'm sad :(
Now that's more like it...
I typing this with a grin-and then I got to get back to work--------
Going to go visit the John Deere museum next week so I can get an insite into the engineering that went into that plow moldboard?self scouring ???
In my original post I said that it takes a Man to apologize.
It also takes a Man to accept it.
If they don't then "they" get the ulcer. :mad:**)
meller
How about those Mets**)!! Pete
I have several friends that are engineers. I love busting their balls. Heck, they have the best engineer jokes. :LOL:
36sedan, IMO you have no need to apologize. I'm no pro welder but even I know a bad weld when I see one. Hell, so does my wife!!!!!!!!!!!! I'm not trying to hurt anyone's feelings. It just is what it is.
The engineering mindset is a bit different. Here's a perfect example;
An engineer was crossing a road one day when a frog called out to him and said, “If you kiss me, I’ll turn into a beautiful princess.” He bent over, picked up the frog and put it in his pocket.
The frog spoke up again and said, “If you kiss me and turn me back into a beautiful princess, I will stay with you for one week.”
The engineer took the frog out of his pocket, smiled at it and returned it to the pocket.
The frog then cried out, “If you kiss me and turn me back into a princess, I’ll stay with you and do ANYTHING you want.”
Again the engineer took the frog out, smiled at it and put it back into his pocket.
Finally, the frog asked, “What is the matter? I’ve told you I’m a beautiful princess, that I’ll stay with you for a week and do anything you want. Why won’t you kiss me?”
The engineer said, “Look; I’m an engineer. I don’t have time for a girlfriend, but a talking Frog.... that’s cool!!!”
Man oh man.. I've colected a lot of "talking frogs" in my career - but fortunately, I stopped long enough to kiss the right one 43 years ago.
It takes years of practice to Hi-Jack an Apology Thread - - - - WOO HOO