'50"s Ford f1 4x4 drive

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The truck seems military with OD paint / black fenders but I've never seen anything like the front wheel drive system.

Anybody happen to know if it is a Ford built it like that or somebody added the fwd on.
The floor looks hacked where the control levers come through.

it has a Flat head V-8, three in the tree and a Hi and Low divorced transfer case
it might have had a forward PTO
interesting set up the axle stays straight and the wheel pivots in the inside
pretty cool survivor
the truck has good history around here as it was used to carry drums of diesel fuel to the Cats that built a winding road out of our little isolated valley. Before the road you could ride a horse in, fly or take a boat to get here.
Anybody else see anything like that fwd system?
cheers
hank

That's an interesting setup

I have some hazy recollection of it being peculiar to Canada, but whatever is lurking in the far corners of my memory refuses to come out into the light!

According to this site the first ford 4x4 was in 1959 on a f250, not sure if that helps.
Ford Trucks History
But then when I found this site
http://www.therangerstation.com/reso...ory_of_4x4.htm
it states: The 1959 model year was the first time Ford built light truck 4x4s in-house. Up to that point, they were farmed out to Marmon-Herrington (M-H) for conversion using a Dana 44 closed knuckle front axle.
So maybe this was a Marmon- Herrington conversion?

Here is some info and parts on 4 wheel conversions
Ford Dana-Spicer Model 44 Closed Knuckle Front Axle

The more I read on these it looks like Marmon-Herrington converted a lot of vehicles to all wheel drive during ww2, including fords. What you have there is quite possibly a rare ww2 surviver probably worth a lot to a pure collector. here is more info on the Marmon company
http://marmon-herrington.webs.com/truck.html
and here is a website of a guy supposedly the expert on these trucks, per the ford forum( Marmon Herrington Ford F1 - Ford Truck Enthusiasts Forums )
Chucks Trucks LLC., Chuck's Trucks, Chucks Trucks

Whoops my mistake, if it's made in the fifties, it wouldn't be ww2 survivor, but still probably a military vehicle possibly used stateside or in Korean war.

It's funny the more I look at the front wheel assembly the more it reminds me of some heavy duty old logging truck wheels. The worst part is I've seen a front axle like that but can't remember where!

I copied your photos and sent them to an old logging buddy for id. He has driven and worked on all kinds of 4x4's dating back in time, if anyone knows what it is either he or his neighbor will. I let you know if I get a reply. All of the Marmon Herrington conversions I've seen don't look like that front wheel assembly.

I've seen them with the other "more conventional" front axle but I'm not sure what yours is.

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Thanks for all the leads and interesting reading ,stovens
I still haven't seen another front wheel drive like it
still looking
cheers
hank

Hank
Turns out what you got there is very rare truck here is a add a guy on the ford site knew what it was. It is a 1951 COLEMAN. he states"It's a 1951 COLEMAN!! Rare as all get out on a half ton. The hub covers are missing. Hope the rest is operational 'cause parts aren't gonna be easy to come by. It's a great find." another guy said"That may be the only one known to exist. Is your friend local to NorCal? I'm curious where he found it. " They would would like to know if it's yours or for sale.
http://www.offroadvehicle.ru/AZBUCAR...eman%20F-1.jpg

here is a shot of one of their hubs and a little more info
here http://forums.aths.org/PrintTopic141474.aspx
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Talking with the last owner the truck came as a 2 wd and was used one year then it was sent down to Vancouver BC by freight boat to be converted to 4wd-- just what he had heard from the other PO.
we heard of 5 POs.
So it has been in this British Columbia valley since new
flathead engine spins by hand- the starter is sitting on the passenger floor and smells burnt?

I can see the broken off bolts in the hub for that wheel cover
thanks for digging that info
cheers
hank

PS
I guess everything is for sale at the right price

Hank here is more info:
The American Coleman Company did quality AWD conversions on many big Fords used in the construction, mining, etc. industries as well as in government service. But finding it on a small model is very unusual. Here's a diagram that was one of their advertisements.

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For service and parts if your friend owns it I'd suggest contacting Chuck Mantiglia of Chuck's Trucks in CT. He owns a Coleman F-7 and would have a line on any Coleman parts suppliers

Hank if you are interested in selling this I'll p.m. you site info for those who might be interested in a resto project.

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Talking with the last owner the truck came as a 2 wd and was used one year then it was sent down to Vancouver BC by freight boat to be converted to 4wd-- just what he had heard from the other PO.
we heard of 5 POs.
So it has been in this British Columbia valley since new
flathead engine spins by hand- the starter is sitting on the passenger floor and smells burnt?

I can see the broken off bolts in the hub for that wheel cover
thanks for digging that info
cheers
hank

PS
I guess everything is for sale at the right price

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It's fun to find out more about these old trucks, especially since I have a 48 myself, but these cool special made side company trucks are of special interest as they have even cooler history and are things we've never heard about, so my pleasure to do a little digging to help out, I'm not much of a mechanic, but know where to find help, so if I can help in other ways, it's payback for all the help I get here from the rest of you.

Here is a lengthy write on the coleman company, very cool read and history lesson:
During the years 1915-1920 Harleigh Holmes, while working in Carbondale, Colorado, had an idea for a new kind of vehicle mechanism-four-wheel drive. Cars and trucks had only been around for about 20 years in 1916. Holmes had the foresight to patent his ideas for a four-wheel drive and a front-wheel drive, and he founded Holmes Motor Company in Littleton to build four-wheel drive trucks.


In July of 1925, Coleman completed an order for a fire truck for the Littleton Fire Department. The water from the pump on the fire truck sprayed water eighty feet high, twice as effective as the old fire truck. The Coleman fire truck could attain a speed of 40 mph and could maneuver through two feet of snow or 18 inches of mud. Perhaps most impressive of all, it was able to climb a 50% grade with full equipment and men. The new fire truck was placed on display at the State Fireman's convention in Denver. Public donations helped to finance the truck for the town of Littleton.

The U.S. Army purchased a Coleman truck in April, 1927 for use hauling an anti-aircraft gun for tests. The Littleton Independent boasted that the Washington Post printed an impressive article about the Coleman truck purchase.

In March, 1928, an amazing demonstration took place on Main Street, Littleton--a tug-of-war between a 5-ton Coleman truck and a 10-ton Caterpillar tractor. The Coleman was laden with 12,000 lbs of concrete blocks, while the tractor weighed 20,000 lbs. Even with the weight handicap, and giving the tractor a 15 ft. head start, the Coleman truck won the event. Many influential members of the community cheered on the hometown vehicle. Apart from the outstanding performances achieved in the Coleman trucks, they required little maintenance and rarely broke down.

Colorado's mountain passes suffered from frequent blockages due to snowfalls. An engineer from the state highway department had developed a rotary snowplow, the first of its kind, to clear the snow, but the highway department could not find a truck that could push the plow through the snow on winding roads, until they tried the Coleman truck. A rotary plow with an auxiliary motor was fitted on a 5-ton Coleman in April, 1928 and then driven to Berthoud Pass. The truck and plow cleared a channel through four feet of snow, making y mile per hour. The Coleman returned a few days later to finish clearing the pass. Another five ton Coleman equipped with a rotary plow opened Berthoud Pass for the summer, 1929.

By 1929, other uses had been found for Coleman trucks. A five-ton Coleman fitted with a Sargent snowplow could easily remove snow from Littleton's streets. In a demonstration, this same Coleman and plow backfilled a long trench dug by Public Service Company twice as fast as a traditional tractor.

Coleman Motors worked in partnership with Ford Motor Company to develop a standard Ford truck that had a Coleman front wheel drive and an auxiliary transmission. The U. S. War Department had requested new types of specialized trucks, and in September 1929, just one month before the stock market crash, the first specialized Coleman truck was tested on Ruby Hill in Denver. With an army representative looking on, the truck successfully climbed a steep hill carrying a 3500 lb. load from a standing start. This truck also drove through sand that was "hub deep without effort. The truck was sent to an army camp outside of Baltimore, and others were delivered to the army.

The Coleman Motor Company received an army contract to assemble 720 ten-ton trailers in March, 1944. The trailers were for heavy duty use, able to transport light tanks. They were painted olive, and stood 53 inches high from the ground to the floor and 4 feet from the floor to the top of the sideboards. Many soldiers returning from World War II stopped in at the Coleman plant and related their amazing experiences in the four-wheel drive trucks.

George Coleman passed away on July 7, 1945 and his stock was sold to George Meffley, a Littleton resident living on Bowles Avenue. Operations continued, possibly due to the continuity provided by Harleigh Holmes. Wartime contracts in the 1940s gave them the chance to expand the plant and build new specialized vehicles. One design called for a special truck on which a crane was mounted, to be used by the US Army Corps of Engineers. Several hundred of these were built. The company also marketed kits for converting two-wheel drive trucks into four-wheel drive and even six-wheel drive. The "Coleman Conversion Kit" became quite successful.

Coleman got into the light-truck business in 1947 by converting Chevy trucks to four-wheel drive.

In 1948, Coleman Motor Company merged with American Road Equipment Company and a head office in Omaha, Nebraska was established. The name was changed to American- Coleman. Meffley's stock was acquired by the new firm, but Harleigh Holmes still owned a large share of the company. The new board of directors was Howard Agee, William Ramsey and E.L. Martin, all from Omaha, and a Denver attorney, Phillip Van Cise. The Littleton plant continued to build vehicles under the name of Coleman Motors.

This reorganization led to another new product, the aircraft towing tractor. Tests conducted in 1949 at Carswell Air Force Base proved extremely successful and American-Coleman received a contract for 49 tractors. In 1950, another contract for 73 tractors was received, and in 1951, a contract for 495 tractors was awarded. By 1952, American-Coleman employed 460 people and was a household name in Littleton.

On July 26, 1963, Harleigh Holmes passed away. A few years later in 1987, the AmericanoColeman facility in Littleton closed down. Employment had dropped to about 21. Vice President and General Manager Joseph E. McElroy handled the shutdown. The plant building, owned by a local developer, was in foreclosure and was eventually sold. The equipment was moved to Kansas City, the parent company home. A proud history of innovative truck design had come to an end.

In 1959, for the first time in Ford history, a light-duty truck buyer could buy a factory-built 4x4 Ford truck. Previously, Ford trucks had been converted to four-wheel drive by outside manufacturers such as Marmon-Herrington, Napco, or American-Coleman.

I asked at the right place to find out about this truck-- so thanks again stoven

after seeing the pictures of the trucks with the "hub" cap on maybe I have seen that before in aircraft towing tractor like in the article
very cool
hank

I asked at the right place to find out about this truck-- so thanks again stoven

after seeing the pictures of the trucks with the "hub" cap on maybe
I have seen that before in aircraft towing tractor like in the article
very cool
hank

Thanks for the education Steve! Good job...