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I agree with Bob on the extra paper work idea. Then maybe the employee would realize just what they cost the company besides what they take home every payday. It cost the company I used to work for $28.00 + an hr. to have a mechanic in the plant working...his posted wage was $17.00+ this was 18 years ago..Not saying they should be taxed on it just made aware of it, but someone dose pay a tax on it somwhere.
Super bowl is that like breakfest of champions???

Originally Posted by Evolvo

I just previewed this post, could someone please tell me how to put a quote box around a copy and paste? This HTML thing didn't work!

only way i know how is to reply with quote then delete all you dont want quoted ...

Ladies and Gents, the tone has turned a bit ugly on this thread. I'll ask that you take a step back and take a deep breath before you make any further posts. If the posts continue like they have today, this thread will be deleted, and all political posts of any kind will be banished from the site.

We would prefer to not have to come to that drastic a measure, but based on the PM's and reported posts in a short time frame today, it may be our only choice.


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Alan,
I'll address your quote marks question for now. On the bar at the top of the "Quick Reply" box the extreme right symbol is what looks like a cartoon text baloon (it's a bit inboard on the Advanced Reply). With the text highlighted click that baloon and it will install the "Quotes" lingo. Another point - if you want to acknowledge who the originator was go inside the brackets, and where it says "[QUOTE]" make it "[QUOTE=(screen name)]" - for example, "[QUOTE=rspears]" for something I might have posted. Here's an example:

Originally Posted by rspears

BTW, glad to see you posting here - the banter gets more lively with opposing points of view, even if both sides believe the other to be "misinformed".

I don't think we can ,or will ever get back to the level playing field...That went out long ago..Trying to think when it was I'd have to guess it was WAY back when this country was first settled a Dr. took chickens for pay, one farmer helped the other raise a barn or put up a fence. In todays world the level field is you work , to earn ,to pay for ,what you can't do yourself. Or you become a politician

Alan, if you want to accuse me of being rude you're going to be at the end of a very long line. I prefer to identify it as impatience or sarcasm, depending on the situation BTW.

A level playing field is a myth and ultimately destructive as a guiding philosophy. I'll use a somewhat dated reference here, but it's one I think the audience can better relate to. I'll never be able to play basketball like Michael Jordan. To restrict his abilities down to my level in the name of leveling the playing field would cheat the world of the joy of witnessing, admiring, and learning from his abilities..........not to mention being an outrageous violation of Mr. Jordans rights. Why would it be any more "right" to deprive others of the use of their skills be they physical or intelletual? Those who end up wealthier as a result of their ability to produce greater value for their fellow man should not be denied the results of their efforts any more than the Jordan example above. The same for this nation that grew to prominance based on it's freedom to innovate and produce. You hinted at our consumption of resources, which is a popular guilt trip that comes from the left. We are told that we should feel bad that as only 5% of the worlds population we consume almost 25% of the energy resources. When I make reference to thinking I'm suggesting that there are many who take that statement at face value and without thinking assume that guilt that projected on them. It's not a problem of differing conclusions, it's about accepting and acting upon a false premise. However, with a modicum of thought one could juxtapose the reality that we mere 5% do in fact consume just under 25% of the energy, but we also provide just over 25% of the worlds productivity through the use of that energy (note; the productivity number has diminished the past few years as government spending has skyrocketed). Considering how much of that energy is consumed in leisure, recreation, etc. we're actually the most fuel conserving and thus highly productive population on the planet. But that thought is virtually NEVER offered by the political class or the so called media class.........much less any of the other nanny advocates. For an interesting tale of potential outcomes from buying into the religion of Level Playing field, you might want to read a short story by Kurt Vonnegut titled Harrison Bergeron.

As for your proposal or challenge of what would result from a complete takeover by conservatives it's not a reasonable premise either. I've never given it much thought because it's a wholly unlikely scenario. Additionally there is no singular conservative manifesto. There are some customs within the sphere, just as on the left, but maybe I can give an answer that will answer in part.

In very general terms (which is to say there will always be some overlap or grey areas), the left philosphy centers arount intentions. Feel good thoughts that mean well. Old sayings become old sayings for a reason. Like, "The road to hell is paved with good intentions." On the other hand, the right philosophy conters around actual outcomes. An example to form context; Those on the left believe that if you throw enough money/resources at poverty you can end poverty. So they declare war on it in the mid '60s. At the beginnig of the war around 14% of the population is classified as in poverty. 50 years of enormous spending, several Trillion dollars (we've become so blase about that number that it no longer seem big does it?) later, and gess what? We still classify about 14% as in poverty. The conclusions? From the left we're told we didn't spend enough, if those mean evil conservatives would have let us spend more we could have defeated poverty. From the right the analysis is, hmmmm, let's see, 50 years of bloated government agencies, spending trillions of dollars with no change in the relative number of poor? Sounds like doing more of the same (spending money) expecting a different outcome is insane. There's more to that analysis but I'll stop here.

A short summary relevant to your challenge. This nation grew to prominance with far less government interference than we have today. If you chart out the government consumption of resource vs the private sector, the less contribution to world output we are able to generate as the government consumes more. We could compete with China, India, and the rest if the emerging nations if we let the part of our society that has a record of success (private sector), rather than the part that has a more frequent record of failure in productivity. Again, this concept needs much more expansion but my attention span is waneing, and probably everyone else's as well.

Makes an interesting read.. I am going to see if I can get a government job!!!! http://search.yahoo.com/r/_ylt=A0oG7...in-back-taxes/

[QUOTE=cffisher;451992]Makes an interesting read.. I am going to see if I can get a government job!!!!

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makes me miss Mr wizzard .. his posts were much shorter

Originally Posted by HOSS429

Makes me miss Mr wizzard .. his posts were much shorter

I had not thought about Mr Wizzard for a long, long time. Talk about long winded!! Uncle Bob doesn't hold a candle to Mr. Wizard for being wordy, and that's a compliment.

His last post was over 2 years ago...lives not to far from me???

I think words like "fair media" belong right up there with "military justice"...... Seems we just no longer have a media source that will just present the facts and allows us to form our own opinion. If corporations or any business for that matter operated with the same efficiency as our government they wouldn't be in business for too long!!!

You're right, from now until November it appears the Obstructionist Party indeed has a stranglehold on Congress! Not that it will do a bit of good, but I did send an email to both of our South Dakota Senators and our one House Representative asking them it they were going to do anything between now and November or should the voters start looking for someone who would?

Originally Posted by Dave Severson

.......... but I did send an email to both of our South Dakota Senators and our one House Representative asking them it they were going to do anything between now and November or should the voters start looking for someone who would?

You lobbyist lowlife!!!!!!

Originally Posted by Dave Severson

I think words like "fair media" belong right up there with "military justice"...... Seems we just no longer have a media source that will just present the facts and allows us to form our own opinion. If corporations or any business for that matter operated with the same efficiency as our government they wouldn't be in business for too long!!!

You're right, from now until November it appears the Obstructionist Party indeed has a stranglehold on Congress! Not that it will do a bit of good, but I did send an email to both of our South Dakota Senators and our one House Representative asking them it they were going to do anything between now and November or should the voters start looking for someone who would?

the congress does best when the don't pass any more laws what is it you want them to do hand obama another 5 trillion dollars of our money so he can give to the labor unions and they can syphon it into his campaign coffers the have already sent him over 1 billion dollars some people think the govmt. has to do something for them or they can't be successful but I got news for you and allen this is not a zero sum game you have to get out there and make it your self you people think the only way you can have anything is if the government takes it away from somebody else.....ted

Originally Posted by ted dehaan

the congress does best when the don't pass any more laws what is it you want them to do hand obama another 5 trillion dollars of our money so he can give to the labor unions and they can syphon it into his campaign coffers the have already sent him over 1 billion dollars some people think the govmt. has to do something for them or they can't be successful but I got news for you and allen this is not a zero sum game you have to get out there and make it your self you people think the only way you can have anything is if the government takes it away from somebody else.....ted

Ted,
Both Alan and Dave can of course speak for themselves, but I think you misunderstood Dave's post. He's not asking for more laws and regulations. We talked earlier about the Administration blocking the Keystone Project which would have brought thousands of construction jobs to the US, and the fact that the action was a pure & simple campaign ploy to keep the extremist environmentalists happy until they've contributed their funds into the campaign coffers. Proponents of the project have said that they don't believe it is dead, but that it will be delayed until after the 2012 election, and I believe that is what Dave was referring to in his message to his representatives. You may have to look back to the roots of this thread, Craigslist notice??. for the history.

You make a very good point about the slimy trail of bailout money somehow finding it's way back to the campaing coffers. To me campaign reform, limiting the amount that can be spent would be one of the best things that could be done. I also agree 100% with your statement that the government cannot give anything that was not first taken from someone else. I think this dovetails with another famous quote, "A government big enough to give you everything you want, is strong enough to take everything you have." Thomas Jefferson

Roger if you are correct, I certainly owe dave an apology, but the statement about the obstructionist party has a stranglehold on congress won't fly, the conservatives want the pipe line and the jobs, obama wants it killed for extremist environmentalist money feed into his campaign, follow the money, he is blocking it, NOT the republicans this president just keeps spitting out obamawoppers and the lap dog left wing media helps him spin it.....ted