A friend on another forum just sent me this. The seller has more BS than a Christmas turkey!!!!:LOL::LOL::LOL::LOL:
Don
http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/Ford-...item2eb2adb683
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A friend on another forum just sent me this. The seller has more BS than a Christmas turkey!!!!:LOL::LOL::LOL::LOL:
Don
http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/Ford-...item2eb2adb683
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California Built one of a kind 1915 T bucket , old school style build with 350 4bolt duel 2bl carbs no expense spared in this unique car , runs incredible and gets looks everywhere it goes , We are selling it for half of what it cost to build , completely finished , professional built hot rod
Call us at 941-966-1900 for a complete description and see more about it on our web site www.idealclassiccars.net
And I never knew I was a professional builder from California........why didn't someone tell me???????? :eek:
Don
Does this upset you? None of my buisness just curious.
Ken
No, not at all, in fact, I think it's funny. I expected the guy to turn it because he wasn't like the normal buyer.........never test drove it, or even sat in it. But the funny part is how he has totally stretched the truth about where the car was built, who built it, the cost to build it, etc, etc.
Guess you can't trust those Ebay ads, huh, Ken??? :LOL::LOL::LOL:
Don
I guess I just don't like people that b.s. Like that, just to make a buck.
Me niether.. Always liked that car. just ashame it didin't go to someone honest, but hopefully that's where it ends up
What a lying piece of garbage..I guess dealers are the same the world over..What about the title Don??wont that have your name and address on it??I feel like e mailing him and telling him about his lack of parentage,,:(
West coast, east coast, ............. It sure did come out nice. But at half of build cost...... wouldn't that be more like $1500.00..........:D I know you went over your target but had no idea you were 37k over....:LOL:Quote:
Originally Posted by Itoldyouso
Just goes to show you some people are really full of it. Maybe you should inquire and ask a few questions........:D
You know now that I've thought about it for a few mins. I've got free long dist. I might call. I'd like to know just what shop built that car. Might want them to churn one out for me. After all it's only 80k.......:D
Why not post a "loaded" question to him with some known information - I believe that they are automatically posted - then see what his answer will be and if he pulls it from Ebay.
It's a good thing this guy didn't get his hands on any of the pictures I took with the chick in the green bikini at the beach or his ad would have said "Once owned by Paris Hilton!" :eek::LOL:
Now that I think about it, I don't think the guy I sold it to is the one selling it now. He had 8 collector cars but just moved here from out of State so a dealership this size isn't something he would own. He evidently traded it in or sold it to this guy. I can understand that the new seller might not have all the details of who built it and all that jazz, but MAN, this guy even gives dishonest car salesmen a bad name. Here is some other stuff he posted about it on his website:
1915 Ford custom hotrod 350, auto, high end build on the unique car , painless wiring , powdercoated frame and engine block duel 2bl carbs , neat looking Califorina hotrod that is old school built to detail call us for details
Stock # C120
VIN EBP94F6DZ683622
Year 1915
Make Ford
Model T-Bucket
Transmission Auto
Mileage 3000
Exterior Color Black
Doors CV
New/Used Used
Price $19,995.00
Estimate Payments
Click here to contact us about this vehicle.
I did not use a Painless kit for wiring and the frame and engine are painted, not powder coated. I guess some people do whatever is needed to make a sale. More than anything I was just shocked to see it on Ebay.
Don
That car DID come out really nice, Don. But $40k to build a T-bucket? I hope most people wouldn't believe that. We should all tell the guy we know the builder from CHR and that he needs to change the ad.
Yeah, I only had $39 K in it!!!!:LOL: His ad expires in 10 hours with no takers so far, so I think most of us car guys know what these things cost to build. However, I am quite flattered that he likes my work so well. You can all start calling me Don Foose from now on.:cool: :LOL:
Looks like the guy I sold it to didn't do one thing to it except drive it maybe. The carbs look a little gas stained, so I guess he did put some miles on it. I should buy it back, it actually looks pretty good there, maybe I made a mistake selling it.
Don
It would would be quite a rush to see somthing you built go for that kind of money, relative to your investment. The only thing that would be better is if you got to cash the check. Most of the time you are luck to break even, that's figuring in some reasonable ammount for your time. Go Foose........... Maybe the next one will break the 100k mark......:DQuote:
Originally Posted by Itoldyouso
Like most of us, I watch some of all of Barrett Jackson, and it becomes very obvious that most of the cars that sell there go for WAY below what it would cost to build the same one. I've seen some cars they call Tuesday Cars go for mid $20's that are a real steal. Even some of the cars that sell for $60 to $80 probably have half that much in paint and bodywork alone. If a guy were to add up all that we spend to build our cars, we would be better to save up and go to BJ and pick up one for 50% of what the guy spent to build it..........and we wouldn't have to spend all those hot or cold nights in the garage, burning and cutting ourselves. :LOL:
Don
Let's see......crappy pictures (except the head light one), price higher than balls on a giraffe, and a suede shoe dealership.............................I'm surprised.........shocked even, that he hasn't even had an offer.:rolleyes:
Looks like he edited the BIN price four days ago, so he was probably even HIGHER priced to start with. I'll bet he's gotten a lot of emails blasting him on the year, and some of the other details from folks who know the truth. Obviously he won't choose to post them to the listing.......................hmmmmmm, I wonder what it would do to his day if he got a couple hundred all of a sudden?:D
Bob, I guess he doesn't realize that the car has been seen on numerous forums I am on, and the power of the internet. Maybe someday it will be found in a barn and bring some REAL MONEY!! :LOL::LOL:
Don
It wouldn't surprise me if the guy you sold it to put it into consignment, dealers like this guy often don't like to tie up their own money unless they can steal a car.................the old dealer addage is "you make your money on the buy not the sell". Not asking you to divulge your business, but dealers like this like to make about $5k over what the customer wants (at least to start with). Since they appeal to a different kind of buyer in most case, maybe offer financing, and so forth, they can pull a little better price than private parties. In his mind, if the seller told him the truth, the real story didn't sound "sexy" enough, so he called the Grimm Bros. to write up the one he's using.
Since you said the guy never even drove the car before buying, it is possible once he dropped his butt in the seat and actually put some miles on it figured out he didn't like the reality, vs his vision on how it would be, to live with this kind of car (kinda like some women I've known:D). Roadsters, and T buckets in particular, take a certain kind of "attitude" to enjoy for more than a few minutes, as you know. In our house we call it "roadster attitude". Wind buffeting, sun, noise (even moreso fenderless), no A/C (well, unless you're an old timer from NY:)), and often cramped footwells................just isn't meant for some folks.
I sent a question asking if there is documentation that the car was built in California. It will be interesting if I get an answer.
Bob, I think you may have hit the nail on the head. You are either a roadster guy or not, and while they look great it takes a certain kind of person to want to actually drive one. You have to put up with rain, wind, bugs hitting you at 60 mph :eek: and less than roomy accomodations. The guy was much taller than me and the one time I did speak to him he did mention that on the Interstate it was "windy." :LOL: I bet he has consigned it, like you suggest.
NTF, I bet you get no response back. Unless they moved Ft Myers to LA overnight, I think he was a little incorrect in that statement. ;)
Don
Having driven my T all over england in all sorts of weather i can truthfully say i know what your saying Don !!!
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Originally Posted by Itoldyouso
.....ahhhhh nothing like a June bug bouncing off my receding hair line.
When my car was upholstered, the tech used the usual jute padding under the carpet. I had him remove it and put in some waterproof stuff called Volara that I supplied.
I have to say with a fenderless roadster, every left turn on a wet road is an adventure in getting a freshly washed face with muddy/greasy water --- and the main reason this car has fenders:LOL::LOL:.
What is it they say, "Coupes are for chickens"?:D
Don
Hey Dave i well remember driving my T in the rain, every left turn feels like someone threw a bucket of water in my face :LOL: I can laugh now !!!
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Originally Posted by IC2
Hi Guys, I just called the dealer and talked to one of the salesmen. Told him I wanted a little more history on the car. Long story short he admitted that he thought the car was built in a shop in Coral Gables Fl. but was built to the Cal. style cars. I thanked him for clearing that up then told him I was just having a little fun and that I was familiar with the builder and knew all along where the car was built. I also told him that the selling price was a bit more than 1/2 the build price.:HMMM::eek::rolleyes: He then thanked me for clearing a few more things up and that he would talk the the dealer about changing the description to fit the actual facts. Since there are only a few hours left to the auction I will assume that will happen for the next go around.:LOL::LOL:
Jack.
P.S. I also mentioned that the builder and the guys on the forum were getting a kick out of the Ebay add.:D
On ya Jack,,I hope he realises that hes being watched,and he needs to be a bit more honest,the internet could drop him in it ,,big time..I wonder how many more of his customers have seen their cars with phoney descriptions??
Don, at least whoever eventually ends up with it will be getting a quality build….not always the case with a lot of the cars sold thru “classis/collectable” car dealers.
I’ve got a mechanic friend who works for one of these places and it’s kind of funny/sad about the “quality” of some of the stuff they get even from places even like the BJ auctions. I’ve been thru the show room more than once and seen some first rate cars and along with polished turds , but bottom line of the place is to turn a profit.
Something to take with a grain of salt about these places is that the guys like a majority of the people on this board (the guys who actually BUILD the cars, either professionally or as a hobby) are NOT their targeted clientele. Let’s face it while we might go into one of these places to look around see what they have or what things are going for we aren’t going to be spending a dime with them.
Their target audience are the high buck collectors (if they actually have anything of that quality) and/or the first or second time collector car buyer. The guy who now has a little spendable income and; wants to relive his youth, have the mis-spent youth he never had, or having a collector car is the latest accessory to his life style. As long as he is happy with his purchase it’s a successful sale ......even if the buyer could have done far better if he had the knowledge and time to actually find a better car at a realistic price.
Guys like myself and I suspect a majority of people on this board who build cars know what we have in them and also where all the flaws are……and usually are honest enough go out of our way to point those flaws out…..basically we would starve as used cars salesmen.
It is aggravating to see someone knowing try to pass something as something it isn’t… but it’s an unfortunate part of the hobby. It still goes back to buyer being responsible for doing his own research and then deciding what’s right for him.
That's funny, you actually spoke to them! :LOL: I really have no axe to grind on this deal, the buyer treated me fairly and the money showed up immediately. I got what I thought was fair in today's market and what I would accept to let it go.
My one concern was that people who didn't know I had sold the car 3 months ago might be thinking it was ME selling it now and telling a tall tale to get more money out of it. But at least I had my 15 minutes of fame as a "Professional California Car Builder". :LOL: (BTW, on the first of February my rates are going up..........and I have a 2 year waiting line) :cool::)
Don
Oh thanks Mr Don Foooose, that will give another 2 years to save the required $3000.00 or under for you to build my California Hot Rod 1915 Ford to park beside my 1923 one.:LOL::LOL::LOL:
Sorry for the mis info! the car was built in Florida......Just looks like the California styles we have seen.....The correct wording should have been Old school California style ........Just wondering does it change the value?
Regards
Michael
- idealclassiccars
This is the reply I received. Does it change the value?
Hey, he's a used car salesman,,,, what did ya expect???
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Originally Posted by Dave Severson
Nothing, just surprised he answered
Hi Don,
Yea, the conversation was quite amicable actually. When I told him I was just having fun with him he took it in stride and we just continued the conversation. His last words with me were if I ever get out his way to stop by and visit the showroom, I told him I would.:):cool:
Jack.