Not to happy about it.

My Nephew is an Army Ranger and stationed in Afghanistan. We exchange e mails all the
time but this one really pisses me off.
Same old s**t when I was in the Military.
If we're not suppose to win, why go at all?

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(Things here kinda suck, but nothing I didn't expect or had not done before. I'm back in pretty good shape, I don't smoke as much, and my mind is focused again. It feels good. We have only had 2 exchanges of fire since I have been here, one was pretty intense. You know whats f***ed up though.....?? We retreat all the damn time. I mean it uncle, it is shameful. Just as we begin to gain fire-superiority, we get orders to withdraw. We are not here to win, only to maintain the status quo).

Anyway, I know this Kid and he's not a complainer. He must be pretty confused.

DT

Tell him we're proud for his service. My brother expressed similar stuff in Iraq. We'll keep him in our prayers. Steve

isn`t this the american way .. if we defeat someone then we must take care of them till they can rise up against us (US) again in another capacity

You're right. Nothings changed since I was in.:mad:

It sucks but it is what it is, POLITICS!!!
When our millatary gets the upper hand, the enemy runs behind a invisable line and they are not allowed to cross it. Sounds like another war our millatary allready fought.
Kurt

Same crap different time! Did you really expect it to change?

God Bless your nephew and the brave men and women in the military.

Pat

Yup, what everybody else said.... Heck, it's nothing but Vietnam in the desert....Nothing ever changes... Tell him he might as well get used to it and learn to laugh about it....worked for me....

I hate to see our guys putting there lives on the line when they have to take orders from politicians who probably never served.I know they could kick some serious butt if the soldiers were in charge instead of the idiots who can't even run the country at home.I was in the Army 64-67, used to be a saying" Kill 'em all, and let God sort 'em out!" time to bring it back?? May God keep him and his buddies safe!

Quite frankly I'm amazed we achieve any kind of "superiority". My son-in-law deployed for Afghanistan 4 weeks ago. When he got in country he found that they did not have enough firearms to give him one. He was in country, in harms way, unarmed until they could locate an "extra" M-16 for him. With the money our President is throwing at every other pet project he could at least arm our troops whom he promised to remove. Country is going to hell in a handbasket...among the things I'm thankful for is the fact that I'm getting old and a lot of the Mickey-Mouse BS is behind me. I served from '72 to '80, the last time we lost a lot of young boys for no reason. I was hoping I'd never live to see it again and here we are. Bring back the draft and voters will pay a lot more attention to what is going on when they have a vested interest. I know I'm a mess but I don't blame the Army.....I place the blame where it should go.....marriage!

You are absolutely right bring back the draft, if the people in this Country don't have a LOVED ONE in the Military they don't even no what the HELL is going on!!

Young people in this Country should do a part to maintain their own freedom.

Richard

Oh yeah, the draft was great..... The kids with wealthy and influential parents had a deferment bought for them, everybody else got drafted.... The way politicians run things, there would never be a draft with no exemptions....

Until somebody or some group can assume power in this country, it's just going to continue to be DDSS... It should have became obvious after Korea that not every country in the world wants to be force fed democracy!!!!! Bring ALL OUR TROOPS HOME and make this country secure, let the rest of the world take care of itself.....

From what I was Told from one Kid . There is a Waiting List for Young Folks that have Now in Listed into the ARMY ?

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From what I was Told from one Kid . There is a Waiting List for Young Folks that have Now in Listed into the ARMY ?

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Well, with unemployment so near to double digits, and all the money the military is giving for school after your enlistment....I doubt there's a whole lot of the new recruits are there to go rah, rah, rah and wave the flag!!!! Look at the other end of the military statistics, retention....that's what will tell you what the active duty types really think about how things are.....

I don't doubt it the way there are not a lot of jobs unless you are highly educated.

Yes Dave, and you made some good points the other day. Bring them home, and I would add to that send the gang bangers to where the fighting is going on they don't have a problem with killing!!

Richard
Richard

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I don't doubt it the way there are not a lot of jobs unless you are highly educated.

Yes Dave, and you made some good points the other day. Bring them home, and I would add to that send the gang bangers to where the fighting is going on they don't have a problem with killing!!

Richard
Richard

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I think when they get them home, they could assign Air Cav to the DEA, whatever that Division of Mountain Warriors is to the Canadian Border, and the entire USMC to the Border Patrol on our Southern border!!!! Betcha them dudes would get stuff straightened out in about a week!!!!!!!:LOL::LOL:

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I think when they get them home, they could assign Air Cav to the DEA, whatever that Division of Mountain Warriors is to the Canadian Border,

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Yeah, got to keep those warmongering Canadians from invading.:LOL::LOL:
Then again, if we did invade and got defeated we could probably get an aid package....seems like there was a movie about such a plan a few years ago.:)

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Yeah, got to keep those warmongering Canadians from invading.:LOL::LOL:
Then again, if we did invade and got defeated we could probably get an aid package....seems like there was a movie about such a plan a few years ago.:)

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I believe a number of the 9/11 "participants" came here by way of Canada.............

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I believe a number of the 9/11 "participants" came here by way of Canada.............

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Dave, I would be the first to admit that security in this country was rather lax prior to 9/11, as it obviously was in your country as well (in our case, probably the result of too many years of Liberal government policies.)
The allegation, however, that some of the participants came through Canada, is a myth propagated by certain politicians probably to deflect blame from themselves and their adminstrations. It was never proven to be true. Check out this article in the Washington Post: http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn...-2005Apr8.html
Most Canadians were as appalled, shocked and angered by the events of that day as you were and we certainly shared your grief and loss.

True, untrue, doesn't really matter... We need much stricter control of who enters this country...

As for the Post, hardy an unimpeachable, unbiased newspaper!!! But then non of the media are, why would they be an exception????

I was drafted when I was 18 in 1962. My father was a career officer in the Air force and served in both world war 11 and Korea. I wanted to be the same and when I went for my physical I was told I couldn't join because I had lost two of my toes in a hunting accident when I was 16. I was so pissed off that I barged into a Major's office and stared shouting that I could do anything that a normal person with all 5 toes could do and he started laughing when I started do jumping jacks, etc. and take in mind I was butt naked. I have a bad temper and told him why the fu### was he in the service when he was about 50lbs. overweight. Needless to say I was escorted out real quick.
Long story short I lost 3 friends who I went over to have my physical with in early Nam. They all wrote me the same thing that they were all gung ho to fight but in early nam there wasn't much except crossing over to Cambodia. Later in 67 and 68 some more of my freinds wrote back saying theres no way we can win this war and every time they went out on patrol they would get into a fire fight and it could last a few minutes to all day but every one of them said they were order to withdraw even though they had killed most of the enemy. Why retreat when they were winning? Because of the big shots in Washington were satisfied with a few body counts. Hell I get so pissed off just thinking about it I can't say anymore. You vets know what I'm talking about.

chevy 37,


I know what you’re saying I had 4 older brothers they all were in wars, Korea, Vietnam.
I stayed State side not because I wanted to but that was my orders, I volunteered for Korea denied, because I had earlier been on orders but the order was revoked. I guess things happen for a reason the brother next to me has since died 3 years ago from agent orange just when he turned 62. I was in the Army from 64-67.

Richard