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Dave sorry to hear this news. I just started this thread for feedback for hunting elk, deer and pigs. It seems to have grown into something else. Sorry about your loss! I'll stick with truck questions for awhile. I'm itching to put in my motor now that the new mount is here, but bidding time until; I can get some help!
Sorry pope i didint think i had to go back that far, and i didnt include handgun rounds.
Dave i dont have any answers for you, its a tough subject for me to deal with too. Ill give you a little background , One frend dead shot himself, one cousin out hunting fell down a bank forward on his shotgun and was killed. My brother is a RCMP Constable and lives with the associated risk of that job every day. I do believe in gun control of pistols but at times think that its even a waste of time when i see what is going on in Toronto and Vancouver. There killing each other off like flies. Long guns are now registerd here too and you need to have a purchase card to buy ammo and a gun, this is to keep the guns out of the hands of the crazies but from what i have seen it really doesnt stop gun related crimes.
I hope they dont think that the laws will stop anything cause in my opinion gun laws are really for those who wish to obey the gun law, those that dont do as they wish.
But aren't all laws the same???? If we do away with gun laws or don't allow anymore to get on the books then should we do the same with all the other laws pertaining to all other aspects of our lives???? After all, only the law abiding citizens obey the law???? Guess I just don't see the logic. The law isn't the problem, enforcement is!!!!!Quote:
Originally Posted by canadianal
dave, i was sorry to hear about your friend but getting rid of guns aint gonna end gun related deaths, thats just fact.
have you not noticed laws have become far more restraining then say 10 years ago?
yes folks speaking of laws now anybody read the patriot act?
you can be locked up in jail forever without trail or reason, habeus corpus no longer exists. and you want us to throw our guns away, big brother has gon F-ING INSANE.
stimulus package they picked the number 700 billion out of thin air because it sounded nice and big.
but they let the automakers sink, yet they bail out criminal banking orginizations???
people int his country ahve been sucking on the hind tit of a dead cow for far to long and have done nothing. what a shame.
im mad as hell and i want this country back, damnit.
Yes Scooter We need more young Folks to think as you do . That is the First and best way to Get this Country Back .
My choice for a hunting caliber is a 270 Win.
I do not want any more gun legislation..
My solution for the madness in Washington is term limits........
I my opinion this is the only change we can make happen to promote sanity in Washington. Thru term limits for all Senators and Congressmen we can restore reason and a natural balance of common sense.
7mm magnum. Many manufacturers.
Sight it in at 100 yards and just lay the cross hairs on your target out to 300 yards no problem.
Kitz
Stovens, I'm sure that you have noticed that guns and calibers are a personal thing....ask 10 people and get 11 different answers. What is the truth is that a gun is a tool....different situations require different tools. The .45-70 in the Guide Gun has a 12" drop at 200 yards IF sighted at zero at 150 yards and it is 4" high at 100 yards with this 150 yard zero. The guide gun (I think it was introduced in 1998) is popular with folks hunting in the woods....much like the 30-30 caliber chamberning in Marlins, Winchesters, and other lever guns. These bullets are not known to be flat shooting....but more deer have been killed with lever guns than most other styles.
You need to assess what range of hunting you plan on doing; is it mostly woods? Mostly long shots? Are you walking or sitting in a stand? All these factors are important to consider when you are choosing a gun..... If you have a youngster who would also shoot your gun, you might want a lighter kick, etc. Look at gunsamerica.com for comparison pricing...they are the Ebay of guns.
There is a reason that .270, .308, 30-06, 7mm mag, etc are popular cartridges.....it's fun to investigate. In the end, after you get a little more educated on the choices, you'll make your own mind up when you find a gun that strikes your fancy.....
And, you'll find that one "tool" is never enough!!
Stovens,
IMO. If you want the ultimate in accuracy for a large round.....very light package....go with a Ruger Super 454 Casull. I've been hunting for years with the pistol and seriously doubt I'll find anything that it wont take down. Ammo is a little pricier (Is that a word :confused:) but after years of hunting I've found it very satisfying. I went from a rifle as a teenager....to a bow (a little more challenging)....to a the pistol. I personally love it. I've taking the same shots with it that my buddies have taken with thier rifles.
But again...its just an opinion. I just like the convenience of the smaller package.
Like Robot said....the balistics arent the best for the 45-70 but its all in what you are used to. Here's a chart for the Remington 45-70 ammo.... http://www.remington.com/products/am...=R4570L*R4570G
The chart for the Casull.... http://www.remington.com/products/am...=pistol&cal=20
Elk may require the long shot. Around here though, they act more like cattle. Walk right up to you. LOL's. Arkansas has had a great program to populate an Elk program in our area.....but they only issue a few license's a year.
* And I know I'm comparing apples to oranges * I just like the pistol for the ease of getting around.
Alternativley.....I also love the .308. So much of our worlds military's call it their round of choice. Hence my recent trip to Ace Hardware to look into the purchase of an AR-15 in .308.
Dave G