Thread: But we did agree to disagree

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Ah Yes, Denny---But right now our dollar is worth $1.02 American, so that same gas costs 1.02 x 3.97=$4.05 american. and Hey---I seen that picture you posted of your sons girlfriend (briefly). Certainly looks like the trip to Quebec would be justifiable, no matter what the gas cost!!!

Originally Posted by Don Dalton

Dave you are right,it's just a number.The designer determines where you should be tolerance wise w/n that number.

Years ago at IBM they tried to set an example to the world .Go with the Metric System it's simpler to use.We did double tolerancing to try and sell the idea.Result- Lots of training and money wasted.Most of the Tool Makers and Machinist hated it. I don't know what system is being used in Industry,but with all the work (jobs) going off shore (primeraly China) the system of choice I think would be Metric.

Ah, yes--the good old metric system!!! When I started in engineering in 1965 everything was British Imperial---Feet, inches, and pounds. I worked along, quite happily, measuring everything in sixteenths, thirty seconds, and thousanthths of an inch. Then in about 1974, our political leaders, in a fit of uninformed idiocy, decided that Canada was going to go metric, to "secure our future in trading with European business partners". Of course, the dumb shits never stopped to realize that out major trading partner was not Europe, and really hadn't been since the fur trappers hung up their traps. It was the good old USA, and they had no intention of going metric. Then, there ensued about 10 years of absolute insanity in Canada. Nobody knew how hot or cold it was anymore (What the Hell is a Celcius???)---Nobody knew how much they were buying at the grocery store anymore (Uh, Give me 17 grams of meat please). Aeroplanes ran out of fuel, and had to make emergency landings in Aswipe, Alberta at abandoned airstrips (Well Gee, they put 500 litres of fuel in at Toronto---Ya mean thats not the same as a gallon???) Everybody in engineering nearly went crazy, learning all this new metric system. Then we found that when our engineering drawings hit the shop floor, the first thing that happened was that the shop foreman set down with his calculator and converted everything back to British Imperial---because all the readouts on all the mills, lathes, burning tables, etcetera were still calibrated in inches, and could not operate with metric measurements. After numerous machining disasters, all Canadian engineers and designers were told to use a "dual Dimensioning" system, whereby we had to put British Imperial AND metric dimensions on all machine shop drawings. Of course, this resulted in so many dimensions on shop drawings that the poor shop guys could no longer even read the damn drawings--they couldn't see the outline of the part because of all the stupid numbers on the engineering drawings. Now we have gone full circle---and the shops that build stuff for Canada and USA want everthing in inches---forget that metric stuff. The big multi national companies lke Volkswagen, Honda, etcetera want their stuff in Metric---None of that Inch crap. Damn, I shoulda been a hair stylist!!!

NHRA uses the same 2 digit logic when they post reaction times and ETs. .02 is 2 thousandths of a second.

Originally Posted by Twitch

NHRA uses the same 2 digit logic when they post reaction times and ETs. .02 is 2 thousandths of a second.

Reaction time is measured in thousnths of a second, but I believe 0.02 is 20 thousanths, not 2.

.02 = 20/1000

.002 = 2/1000

Kitz

Damn---I have to get another contract!!! This internet posting is like self abuse---takes up time and feels good but doesn't accomplish much.

Originally Posted by brianrupnow

Damn---I have to get another contract!!! This internet posting is like self abuse---takes up time and feels good but doesn't accomplish much.

Brian,what I like most about this forum (minus tech talk)is it starts out on a subject and ends up totally unrelated to the original subject.You really learn a lot about everyone when this happens,I LOVE IT=======.

Don--I,m just killing time. Generally, I have a design engineering contract on the go, and that pretty well sucks up my entire day. I "tune in" 2 or 3 times a day to see what everyone is posting about, but mainly, I lurk. Last week I finished a contract job for Toyota, and this week I've sent out about 60 emails soliciting new work, but untill something comes alive, I kill time on the forums. I putter around on here, and over on the HAMB, and a bit on Streetrodding.com Sometimes I can give good advice, sometimes I just have a funny story to pass on, but mainly, its killing time waiting for that damn phone to ring and somebody ask "Do you have any experience designing____ "
if so, what are your rates, how busy are you, can you come see us tomorrow---Yada Yada Yada.

Okay---I feel better now. Wifey and I and daughter went out for dinner tonight--When I got home there was a phone message for me---a 200 hour contract to be finished early in Jan., with possibility of another 800 hours starting in mid January.--That should finish out this year in style, and get one heck of a start on 2008.

Congrats Brian: What design software are you using? We used AutoCad level 12 or 20(been a while) back in 97.

WOW, we've covered tolerances, contracts, gas prices both here and there, someones love life, a small funny and probably something I missed. Still no consensus as to whether or not .02 and .020 are the same thing. The issue has been settled though. I out drank him 3-2 and he conceded.
Merry Christmas, Guy and Dolls an a Happy New Year: 3dSMILE:

Don---I made the transition to 3D solids about 7 years ago. I now work exclusively in Solidworks. I worked on a drafting board for 32 years, then at age 50, due to increasing customer demand for computerized drawings I went back to college and learned Autocad 2D. I learned on version 13 (horrible) then moved up to version 14 (great). After 3 years working in 2D autocad, customer demand forced me to make the transition to 3D solid modelling. I now do all my design in 3D, and teach 3D solid modelling to other engineering and design companies.---Brian
www.rupnowdesign.com

[Give 10 people a veneer and you'll have 10 different numbers.


My experience has been, give ten people a verneer caliper and they will make a career out of trying to figure out the dimension, never get it right and say that is allowable tolerance. I do know an elderly gentleman who can read a verneer as accuratly as a mic. Says his first lathe was ran by a foot treadle till he got a steam engine to run it.