New garage roof question

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08-23-2007, 08:23 AM
october-1881

New garage roof question

I'm building a new garage/workshop. When the carpenters installed the flashing on the front of the building, they discovered they had the wrong color drip strip. They told me I didn't need it and installed the shingles without it. My son has done a lot of roofing and told me I (in fact) do need it.
He says I'll have problems later on. I haven't paid the contractor yet.
Do I need it? Is it difficult to retro-fit. How much is it worth to have it put in just in case I have to hold some money and have someone else put it in? The building is 30'X40
08-23-2007, 09:31 AM
Bob Parmenter

Funny isn't it? They spent the time to install the wrong stuff when it wasn't needed? You're right to be put out about it.

Personally I think it's needed particularly in your climate. In milder areas we used to just use an extra row of shingles under the first course, hanging over the edge. On the gable ends always flashed to protect the facia. But we didn't have to worry about ice creep. Assuming you are building with a permit, has the inspector bought off on their work? If they don't approve that will give you extra leverage in the event the contractor tries to put a lean on your property for non-payment.
08-23-2007, 09:36 AM
Itoldyouso

I agree with Bob, the carpenters just can't arbitrarily decide what you need and don't need........codes dictate that. Find out from your building code people what they say about it.

Don
08-23-2007, 10:17 AM
shawnlee28

If you are talking about drip edge ,....its optional ,some use it some dont.
It will come down to the contract ,did he state in the bid you signed that drip edge would be used ?If its not in the contract ,theres not much to be done about it,and if its not in the contract ,I would not hold any money back:LOL:
Theres not much inspection on a roof job.
This is what I do for living{contracting},I would recommend that it be used,the facia will rot out after10- 20 years if its not used,plus as Bob mentioned the ice creep in winter will lift the shingles from the moisture that was retained by not using drip edge,which makes it rot and get moisture damage even quicker.
Almost all contractor/carpenters want more than anything for the customer to be happy,just talk to him and tell him ,you would really like to have that done,everything looks great and we are happy ,....but the drip edge would really be nice to have as we plan on staying here for along time..............or something along that line and I am sure he will be more than understanding.

If its in the contract that this will done,he needs to do it or he needs to deduct the material amount and the labor amount that was bid into the contract for this job{depends on how detail oreinted he was in the breakdown of the contract if the specific amount was written for the drip egde and labor} ,if thats acceptable to you ,if not ,he HAS to install it or its a breach of contract.
08-23-2007, 12:50 PM
cffisher

There is a lot to a roof. If he did not use drip metal what did he use to hold the metal facia to the wood facia??? If there is metal facia. Either way here in MI i you heat the building you have to by code have ice&water shield up 36" from the edge to prevent ice daming and leaks. As Shawnlee said drip metal is optinal, but I would put it on. I build homes garages sheds pollbarns and they all get drip metal, ice & water shield and the first row in double. Then ridge vent.
08-23-2007, 01:45 PM
hotroddaddy

It will rot without drip edge, see if you can post me a pic, then i can give you a sound answer, i believe you fall under the international building code, if your county adopted one at all, but the building inspector can anly help in a legal battle if the case is a code issue, then it will not pass anyway, so its not an issue anyway, trust me i was a building inspector.
08-23-2007, 02:35 PM
mopar34

Usually you can add the drip edge after the shingles are in place as long as the guttering is not on. But if the guttering is on, it needs to be removed to do it right. If it is in your contract make them go back and do it right.
08-23-2007, 04:20 PM
Jim Standley

Quote:

Originally Posted by DennyW

I added that even to my 8x8 shed. :LOL: The wind up here sometimes blows the rain sideways. :LOL:

Denny is that a new picture ? It should be the wizard.
08-23-2007, 09:47 PM
Sinister

That's why I don't hire anybody to anything, you just can't get good help anymore. Plus, I think it may be a pride thing as well.

By the way, cool avatar Denny!!!

Adam
08-24-2007, 04:42 AM
halftanked

The drip edge can be installed later,it's like anything else,easier to do right the first time. Makes me wonder what else they skipped. Ice shield,30 lb felt under the shingles,skip nail ? Yes,there are lots of roofs out there without drip edge that are holding up just fine,but I would have stopped them dead in their tracks til they got the right color. Hank
08-25-2007, 09:31 AM
pizzi-man

Quote:

Originally Posted by october-1881

I'm building a new garage/workshop. When the carpenters installed the flashing on the front of the building, they discovered they had the wrong color drip strip. They told me I didn't need it and installed the shingles without it. My son has done a lot of roofing and told me I (in fact) do need it.
He says I'll have problems later on. I haven't paid the contractor yet.
Do I need it? Is it difficult to retro-fit. How much is it worth to have it put in just in case I have to hold some money and have someone else put it in? The building is 30'X40

I am a little confused by this post. If the color was a problem, why not paint it the right color. There are many places for drip strips and the post states they were installing flashing on the front of the building. Is the front of the building shingles? You should have a drip strip over every door and window. You need it at the bottom of the walls where it meets the foundation. If the drip strip is in fact at the edge of the roof then it slides under the shingles and over the roof sheathing or plywood. This should be in the roofer's scope of work. It does not have to be spelled out in the contract because the drip edge on the roof is part of the roof on all new construction at least in California. How do I know this?
Don Pizziconi, Pizziconi Construction, Ca. Lic#629654
08-25-2007, 09:31 AM
pizzi-man

Quote:

Originally Posted by october-1881

I'm building a new garage/workshop. When the carpenters installed the flashing on the front of the building, they discovered they had the wrong color drip strip. They told me I didn't need it and installed the shingles without it. My son has done a lot of roofing and told me I (in fact) do need it.
He says I'll have problems later on. I haven't paid the contractor yet.
Do I need it? Is it difficult to retro-fit. How much is it worth to have it put in just in case I have to hold some money and have someone else put it in? The building is 30'X40

I am a little confused by this post. If the color was a problem, why not paint it the right color. There are many places for drip strips and the post states they were installing flashing on the front of the building. Is the front of the building shingles? You should have a drip strip over every door and window. You need it at the bottom of the walls where it meets the foundation. If the drip strip is in fact at the edge of the roof then it slides under the shingles and over the roof sheathing or plywood. This should be in the roofer's scope of work. It does not have to be spelled out in the contract because the drip edge on the roof is part of the roof on all new construction at least in California. How do I know this?
Don Pizziconi, Pizziconi Construction, Ca. Lic#629654