*&$^# DMV - a rant

OK, so now I have my VIN, DMV has cashed my check, and they're ready to issue me a title. The enforcement officer who installed my VIN told me that it would be registered as a 2007 Ford, which is totally ridiculous, since we just had a new law passed to solve this problem.

Here's the law:

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46.2-602.1 Titling and registration of replica vehicles.
Notwithstanding any other provision of this chapter, the model year of vehicles constructed or assembled by multiple manufacturers or assemblers shall be the model year of which the vehicle is a replica.

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Because of the mis-information the officer gave me, I inquired about this exact topic on DMV's Q&A web page. Brainiac DMV clerk calls me a few minutes ago, and tells me that the car must be titled as a 2007 becuse that's when it was completed.

I asked her if she had read the new law, and she hemmed and hawed a bit and tried to talk about the vintage of the components. She tried to tell me that a replica vehicle had to be made from parts that were an exact replica of a stock vehicle. That is, it had to have a replica of a '34 V8, replica '34 trans, replica '34 wheels, etc.

Unfortunately, I didn't have a copy of the law in front of me, but I told her I was not going to accept her answer, it didn't conform to the law, and I would appreciate it if she would check with a supervisor, trainer or official and call me back.

Why is that law so hard to understand?
a. Lack of training?
b. English as a third language?
c. Upper limit on DMV I.Q.s?

More to come . . . film at 11.

Unfortunately Jack, there are people with English as a first language that can not read and comprehend what is written. They like to read in or not read it all. Either way really can foul up the situation. :eek: :eek:

Hope you get a hold of a supervisor that can straighten it out.

don't let them off the hook. ask to speak to a supervisor now. don't wait for them to call you.

Just goto the next dmv or get back in line for another person to wait on you,always let them look over the minimal amout of paperwork first ,before you tell them anything at all .
Alot of the times if they do not know they will just go ahead and let it slide thru or tell you to fill something out and return to the line and take care of it.

That or my favorite one is to goto the next state over ,I am sure they would like to collect the tax on it ,then return to your state and tranfer the title.
Or you can go the long route,walk in with a bill of sale you have written yerself and state in it that you {somebody else} sold the car to you {actually you} and its a 30s vintage.
The DMV has no qualms about 5 different people they have ,telling you five different things,soo I have no qualms about going back in the door 5 different times ,to tell them 5 different stories:eek: :LOL:
I even had the morons tell me one time ,my f-250 was a commercial vehichle and I needed 800 dollar a year plates:LOL: Did I argue....no,just go get back in line for another person and they took care of me no questionsd asked:D


The laws are soo screwed out here ,we have whats called a referee ,like basketball or football ,the referee makes the call.:LOL:

Shawn,

Can't go to the next booth. On this type of vehicle, the VIN is attached by a state officer, he sends the paperwork to Richmond, and they issue the title there.

I'm guessing that she is just a customer service phone wonk who doesn't know what she's talking about. I'm hoping that the people in the title department have a clue.

'48,

I was about to do that, but I was getting close to a meeting, and I didn't have a transcript of the law close at hand. I had to look it up again.

Virginia lets us look up our vehicle info online. I decided to take a look a few minutes ago, and this is what I found:

Make FORD
Year 1934
Vehicle Identification Number (VIN) R****

Yep, it's actually titled as a 1934 Ford Coupe. The "R" in the VIN stands for replica. I haven't received the title yet, but it has to be on the way.

Bottom line, folks in the Title department DID know what they were doing. The enforcement officer and the CSR were out to lunch.

When I get time, I'll post a procedure. I'll probably send it to SEMA also.

Next step - to get the brief inspection - to confirm that I've met all of the 1934 safety requirments :LOL:. I assume the inspectors haven't a clue either . . . but, I'm here to edjumicate them. :D

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Originally Posted by Henry Rifle

Next step - to get the brief inspection - to confirm that I've met all of the 1934 safety requirments :LOL:. I assume the inspectors haven't a clue either . . . but, I'm here to edjumicate them. :D

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thats great to hear Henry, BUT make sure you charge them for schooling them in there own rules.....joe

belive it or not 5 point harnesses are illegal here because they arent dot certy'd. good enough for nascar and top fuel 300+ mph crashes but not for the average 5-55mph crash HUH sounds funny doesnt it.

You know, I expect the CSRs to be short on facts. What grinds my grits is that the enforcement officers don't know the law.

I'd send them a bill, but there are probably 27 forms to fill out, none of which are correct. :rolleyes:

Just spent 5 hours at my local DMV this morning.

The 76 Dodge truck I'm now started on came with a dismantling permit. This requires a level 3 inspection to get it converted to a reconstructed salvage title (which can be registered). The inspection is pretty straight forward, lights, brakes, seat belts, and VINs.

The level 2 and 3 inspections are supposed to be from 8-11 Wednesday only. The inspection and paperwork usually only take 1/2 hour so a total of 6 inspections are about all they do a week. I got there an hour before the DMV opened and the second guy arrived about 10 minuets behind me. by 7:30 there were already 4 of us there for inspections.

The office opened at 8 and I was the first one in. At 8:45 the gal behind the desk informed me the inspector would be there at about 9 (I never seen him in before then so that was not a surprise). Basically that leaves 2 hours for inspection; the 5th guy showed up about that time for a level 2 inspection and was turned away. The inspector shows up at 9 gets his coffee, visits and calls my name about 9:10. I pull the truck around to the inspection station and sure enough about 1/2 later he calls me back, I sign some papers write a check for $50 and now have the paperwork to get title and registration.

Now I get to take a number and wait in line for title transfer. When It's my turn I get the lady who hasn't done this before so I get to wait till another one who does know how it's done if free to give her a hand.

This is about average here and it went about like I expected......5 hours later I left DMV, but at least I had title, registration and plates.

Now I can take it all apart and build it.........the alternative would have been to build it and then go thru the same thing......only I would have also had to have receipts for EVERY major component I changed during the build.

This is the list of “stuff” you need to send to the Virginia DMV to title a Replica Motor Vehicle, assuming that you have a Manufacturer’s Certificate of Origin (MSO), and no VIN. (What they call a "kit car."

Virginia Form VSA 22, Application for Vehicle Identification Number (VIN)
VSA 17A, Application for Vehicle Title
Notarized Manufacturer’s Statement of Origin (MSO)
Bill of sale for the body and frame
Bill of sale for the engine
Bill of sale for the transmission
Notarized statement of vehicle construction
Photo of the vehicle in ready-to-run condition
A check in the amount of
- $130.00 for VIN application and fees
- plus $10.00 for the Title,
- plus 3% of the value of the body, frame, engine and transmission (they don’t seem to care about all the other receipts)
Proof of Virginia residence

More information concerning costs and documents can be found at the following website. http://www.dmv.state.va.us/webdoc/citizen/vehicles/titling.asp

You can apply for plates at the same time, but I didn't want to stretch my luck. I can pick them up locally

Disclaimer:

1. I have no idea how the process works if you have a title and VIN.
2. Don’t depend on the customer service line to give you accurate information.

The definition of replica vehicles is here:
http://leg1.state.va.us/cgi-bin/legp...0+cod+46.2-100

The law for titling replica vehicles is here:
http://leg1.state.va.us/cgi-bin/legp...cod+46.2-602.1

Hey Henry can I borrow your info :D :D I'd like to add it to Crankshaft Coalition Wiki :D :D unless you want to add it over there....joe

Sure, go ahead. That's why I posted it.

After some further research, it looks like you submit all of the same stuff even if you have a title. Just don't send in the VIN application.

heck all they care about here is if you got a windshield and something over the tires.

Thanks Henry && it's already been added....joe

OK, now the bad news.

First, the enforcement officer lied to me. He said that the paperwork would be mailed to Richmond the next day (15 AUG). It wasn't mailed until a week later.

Second, the fact that I found the title notation on the DMV website doesn't mean that there's a completed title. Apparently, that is just the initial notation of my application, and it has to be completed by the title department when the officer's paperwork arrives.

Third: Their solution to the problem . . . wait another couple of weeks.

Fourth: I can't get plates on Friday.

Fifth: My insurance application will probably bounce.

After I hung up the phone, a quote from Conan the Barbarian came to me. I'm not exactly sure why . . . well, maybe I am . . .

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What is best in life?
To crush your enemies, to see them driven before you, and to hear the lamentations of their women.

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Oh, Yeesss, Jack the madness of governmental "Red Tape". Man, they have definitely been giving you the royal run around. I am pulling for ya. (as Red Greene would say)

The last good one they tried on me was that I needed a 15 year old signature on a watercraft that was traded in to a dealership and I bought it off the back lot:LOL:
They said I needed the persons signature that sold it to the person I bought it from ......:LOL: :CRY:
Amazing enuff ,I walked right out in the parking lot and was back inside with his signature on the paper work in 5 mins:whacked: The lady at the counter mentioned that most people try to sign it right there in line :LOL:
Its soo bad they forge signatures right infront of the dmv workers out here:(

Some idiot clerk typed my wife's name as "Judity" instead of "Judith" on her drivers license. We didn't notice it for a while, but today, she went in to correct it to avoid any problems when we fly.

Even though the license was signed "Judith," and she had a half dozen IDs with the same name, they told her she had to have her birth certificate.

Them: You can't change your license without a birth certificate.
Her: Look, it was your error.
Them: We don't know that.
Her: What do you mean you don't know that. The "Y" is right above the "H" key, and it was an obvious typo. Look at my signature on this "OFFICIAL" document. It says "JUDITH!"
Them: We don't know that it's a typo.
Her: Look, here's my social security card. I have my mortgage statement. I have my insurance card. They all say "JUDITH."
Them: It doesn't matter, we need a birth certificate to change a license.

She called me (madder than a wet hen) and I took the birth certificate to the office. She's now been waiting about three hours, and had to go to the end of the freakin' line. She's still there, expecting to spend about six hours in total to fix THEIR FREAKIN' MISTAKE! Nevermind that she needs a cane to walk, and is looking at a back operation in December.

The final insult? She has to pay $10.00 to replace the license.

All I have to say is . . . bleep them and bleep the bleeping . . .

http://www.cowboyway.com/images/OllieResting.jpg

. . . they bleeping rode in on!

I find it hard to believe that Government Employees would be that inept. After all, they are vigorously screened, highly trained, and of superb intelligence.........otherwise they would not have gotten those jobs.

This video is a perfect example of just how smart they are. :rolleyes: :rolleyes:


www.youtube.com/watch?v=CIL1DG2h1f4&NR=1


:D

Don

my license was suspended 5 years ago for no insurance. Since then i got married. hubby was in military. When I went to dmv 2 months ago to pay all the fines and get my license back i was told that they needed my birth certificate and my marraige license. I had to go back home and drive back which is over 2 hours from where i live. I had my military ID and my ss card with my married name on it but those were not enough. When I returned that following monday i was then told that i have to get a learners permit and hold it for 30 days because they do not have a record of me ever having a license. so now i have to get up the nerve and take a **** drivers test all over again. I just love the hell out of DMV.

Why is it that EVERY state's DMV offices are staffed by blithering idiots? It's impossible to accidently hire idiots 100% of the time. Therefore, their stupidity cannot be accidental! It has to be either a very intensive selection process OR some kind of mind evaporation training. When I go into the DMV here in Tucson, you can look into their eyes and all you see is hair roots.....nothing else, no speck of a brain. But it's not just Arizona DMV, it's ALL DMVs.

What is their secret?

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Originally Posted by robot

What is their secret?

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Well, they DO get several cigarette breaks a day...............


www.bofunk.com/video/5525/odweeds.html


Don

We caught a break - they didn't charge her. Strange thing, though. The woman who didn't charge her is the same one who told her that she would have to pay. The woman isn't just stupid . . . she has a short memory.

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I find it hard to believe that Government Employees would be that inept. After all, they are vigorously screened, highly trained, and of superb intelligence.........otherwise they would not have gotten those jobs.

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Hey! I'm a government employee. :LOL: (Just pullin' your chain, Don.

Of course, I'm required to have a security clearance, a master's degree and a P.E. license to work for the U.S. Navy, and I would never treat the sailors I support with that type of bureaucratic bullbleep.

And yet this morning I took a buddy down to re-instate his supended license and after taking his word for it with no paperwork or records check, he now has a legit driver's license. My mouth is still dragging on the floor.

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Originally Posted by nitrowarrior

And yet this morning I took a buddy down to re-instate his supended license and after taking his word for it with no paperwork or records check, he now has a legit driver's license. My mouth is still dragging on the floor.

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He must be an illegal alie..........................excuse me, undocumented alien.:rolleyes:

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Originally Posted by Bob Parmenter

He must be an illegal alie..........................excuse me, undocumented alien.:rolleyes:

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That must be "politically correct" for "dusty butt" which is a nicer way of saying "w.. b..." :rolleyes:

dusty butt.... good one!

I had a host of problems with some untitled Chevys. Fortunately, I found this gal that does DMV work as she is bonded. On my 57, she had me sign a couple of forms, and was back the next morning with my registration and plates! I could not believe it. She told me that she has a standing weekly appointment with supervisor personnel for all her clients. She knows every conceivable way to fill out the forms per situation. She said that you just have to know the key-words and what not to say. I was charged $90.00 which included the registration and plates. Her fee being $40.00!!!!!!!!! I told her, "Lady, you are not charging enough"!! I wonder if someone could compile a list of these types of brokers by state to help the Hot Rod crowd out. Sure could save a few headaches.

The one advantage to living close to the big city is that the dmv window has 30 clerks ....:LOL: 30 chances for one of em to get it right ,and if they dont,I just goto the next dmv :LOL:

Oh well , here I go now,,,,, First, I work for the SCDOT , I have operated heavy equipment there for about 3 years now. Bad choice on my part, but; I do have a " pay nothing job " for the time being.
I have been in trucking all my life. I have owned several business during my life.
When I come to work, and look around, I can understand why most of the people are there. From the bottom to the very top. IDIOTS A PLENTY ...........
My DMV story..... it was almost time to renew my Class A CDL with every endorsement you can possibily have. I go to the DMV , NOPE , you must go to the other office, we don't do that here. OK ......
I go to the other office, I go through the basics,
I have to have my medical card to show them that I am breathing, $75.00 for that, renew it every 2 years.
Then I have to take the HAZMAT test again , " I have had my licence for 31 years now", OK , I pass, $15.00 for that,
Now, I have to be fingerprinted and ran through the Federal Database to see if I am a terrorist for the HAZMAT endorsement, $ 85.00 for that, " If I wanted to be a terrorist I don't think I would care if I had a licence or not"
Now, I have to wait for 4-6 weeks for the Federal check they say, it took 1 week to get the letter.
Take the letter back and pay another $15.00 to have my picture took and get my new licence.
It is good for 5 years, and; then I will have to go through all that again.
It is sad ..... very very sad .......Our country is run this way ...... Time for a change people.
Just a note on the SCDOT , it is the most wasteful thing I have ever seen in my entire life. Run by IDIOTS, I guess they need a job too.
2 more years for me and I am out, with a little something to have as a retirement, Very little .
Be safe, and; let us all change "AMERICA BACK PEOPLE" !!!!!!!

Can't help but wonder if so many people are aware of the "I don't care, I don't have to" attitude, and the ever rapidly increasing cost of whatever the governments stick their nose into..........why are nearly half (maybe more?) the folks in this country (maybe the same percentage on this site) so anxious to have the Federal Govt take over administration of their health care?

Something to think about. Rapidly increasing costs, coupled with decreasing service in the medical area wasn't complained about much before..........oh say..........1966. Funny, wasn't that the year Medicare started being implemented? Hmmmmmmmm......................nah, must just be a coincidence.:rolleyes:

............. :mad: ,.............Indentured servant work real hard for lord Bush on acounta da free health care....................:CRY:

Now all we need is Gore for some "pollution free" public transportation,
The guy from law and order as the president and Arnold Govenator as the the leader of the biggest state in the US.........public media controlled by some sort of Gerbils type figure in the background {fcc}and a public thats only wants a government to cry about ,not to actually participate in and we can have some Communist pie right here,I mean really ,the government actually sniffs the tail of your car and makes sure its up to thier standards in parts per million,can not get much more invasive than that ,...untill they start hearding us in for yearly checks at the government healthcare centers.:eek:

I have worked for the State of Maryland for 35 years and know a helluva lot of extremely competent fellow employees, but I tend to agree with Robot. I truly believe that the DMV's only advertise their vacancies as.."Morons need only to apply". :LOL: I don't have to deal with the Md DMV, but I have to deal with PennDot, and they are truly no better.:eek: