Boxing a frame

[27 Bucket Head]

I have a 1927 ford frame that I am using for my first t-bucket projuct. What is the best way to box the frame? Are there any articles out there in cyber land that would illustrate this?

Thanks

[Bob Parmenter]

Originally posted by 27 Bucket Head
What is the best way to box the frame? Are there any articles out there in cyber land that would illustrate this?

Thanks

The best way is to build a new frame from 2X3" box tubing, or buy one ready made. Trying to box a stock T frame is a waste of time, especially if you don't have a jig to hold it from twisting from the heat of welding. They're too flimsy. Nobody (who is serious) has boxed a T frame in decades.

[stevet47]

bob - do people not box frames anyomre, or is this specific to the T becasue of its flimsy frame? I am planning on boxing a 50 Chevy frame, is this a waste?

[Bob Parmenter]

Steve,
Specific to the T and A (that'll get some of the horny letches going huh? ) for that matter. Any of those early, spindly frames that weren't that stout to begin with and then have 70 or so years of fatique to boot.

[27 Bucket Head]

Thanks, Bob, for the quick reply, however, I am on a small budget and will try to make due with what I have. This bucket was made in 1970 and basically, I am just doing a restoration on it. If things work out well, I will probably move on to a High Boy and then to a coupe after that. Eventually, I would like to build a Cobra Kit car.

[27 Bucket Head]

Thanks, Bob, for the quick reply, however, I am on a small budget and need to try to make due with what I have. This bucket was made in 1970 and basically, I am just doing a restoration on it. If things work out well, I will probably move on to a High Boy and then to a coupe after that. Eventually, I would like to build a Cobra Kit car. The body on this is welded to the frame and there are some other less desireable traits that I will be working with, but I need to keep things simple-at least this time around. I liked your pictures. Are you located in southern Utah by any chance? Thanks again...

[Matt167]

If you have the frame and it was modified to be a t bucket hotrod frame, just referbish it.

[Don Meyer]

Listen to Bob. I have seen dozens of these over the years & The new frame made from 2"x4" retangular tubing is the way to go. It's very inexpensive to build.
I have seen boxed T frames twist out of shape cracking the fiberglas body in the process. The original frame was made to twist & this lead to work hardening the frame. If you look at the frame carefully you will probably see cracks in it.

[bulldogcountry1]

A new tube frame is the best way to go. I started trying to box my original frame, and it was just taking too long. I made an entire frame for my '37 with 2x4 tube for $110 worth of steel.

If you have all the dimensions and tools, you could make one in a weekend easily.

-measure 5 times - cut once - drive straight.

[27 Bucket Head]

Where did you get your material? All of the welding shops around here would charge that just for one frame rail. What did you use for a plan?

Thanks

Steve

[HWORRELL]

Go to wescottsauto.com they have the blueprints ya need for free...
I built my 31 A chassis out of 2x4 and 2x3
.120 wall rectangular using wescotts plans, came out very nice.. Got the metal from the local steel yard 24 feet of 2x4 was around $65 ??
and 12 feet of 2x3 was around $40 only other thing I had to buy was the stamped cross member at $79 and a couple weekends of work, looks as good as anything you can buy

[bulldogcountry1]

don't buy your steel at a welding shop. you will be paying extra middlemen. i will have to say that I purchased my steel before the big price increase, but it shouldn't be that much more.

i bought two sticks of 2x4 and two 1x2.

i got a dimensioned drawing of the frame, and made a drawing on autocad. i'm not exactly familiar with a 27 frame, but i'm sure it's a simpler design.

all you need is a good welder, a metal chop saw, measuring tape, level, and a little arrogance.

[27 Bucket Head]

Geez, guys. Thanks for all of the information!! If you haven't seen the website that Streets was talking about, do so. It sjows a great step by step proccess. Now I know what you are talking about-building your own. That makes a pretty smooth project. Just one more question-When you build one from scratch like that, how do you get a good title so that you don't have to comply with all of the 2004 rules and regs?

Thanks again

Steve

[rattymodelA]

I had the same Idea picked up a cheap t frame seen a few boxed ones and was going to box the one I picked up for $50 and step the rear, but now I am definately going to reconsider the box tubing idea sounds way stronger and cheaper to fab in the long run. thanks all!!

[chevy 37]

Steve I had a 37 chevy and a 41 ford pickup that I thought i would box the frame. Big mistake on the 41. Even though I did a good job the frame whick was not in good shape to start with twisted under the torqueof the 350 I put in it. I made a new frame from 2x3 metal. your frame is even older that the one I tried so your best bet is to make a new frame. Bart