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I am picking up a truck this week. Anyone know where to source parts for an old straight six ford? Not sure of the cid. It is a '59, standard 3sp column shift.
Looking for rebuild parts mostly. Never owned a Ford. Know nothing about interchange, similar years, etc...Anybody else have one?
Thanks for any advice.
I'v never messed with a Ford 6 that old. I do know it is in the same engine family as the 223 6cyl. parts are available thru Egge and some stuff will still be available at the parts store. LMC truck might be another source
Thanks Matt. I admit, this is probably not the most popular engine to run but what the hey...This one is gonna be a driver for a while.
A friend recently informed me that the local parts places do stock the basics (rings, bearings, etc..). Didnt consider checking there :rolleyes:
I'll browse the Egge and LMC Truck. Thanks.
only reason I never messed with 1 is because I never had 1. given the chance, I probably would.. I'v heard there decent engines
If it is a Continental 6/223 ci a lot of the tune up parts are redily available at your local NAPA store. You can also find some at O'Reiley/Schucks/Kragen stores.
Chris
Hey thanks Chris and Matt. I've done some checking based on your advice and surprisingly a lot of the parts are indeed still available (have not ordered any yet though). AND, what parts I cannot find locally, I can find them at LMC. Here is a low res pic of when I (actually my friend dragged it) dragged it home....it is pretty much solid front to back except for a few spots in the cab, original straight six, original slotted mags (kidding)...cant wait to get started on it.
nice truck.. around here, trucks like that are ither beat to crap, or incomplete.
Truck looks good. Nice body style.
Richard
Neat old truck, Cayne!!!! The body style lends itself well to Hot Rodding...Done a few of similar vintage and really liked them!!!! FE's do fit in them quite nicely and even a mild 390 is guaranteed to blow the rear tires off!!!! Once rebuilt with new bushings and kingpins the front end works good, not a road racer but plenty good enough for a cruizer... They're quite easy to lower if you're so inclined and IMO look great with a mild chop and the body smoothed and shaved... But I've also seen 4X4's of that vintage with lift kits and giant mudder tires and they look good, too!!!!
Have fun with it and btw, the value on these trucks seemed to be going up considerably prior to the present financial debacle.... Heck, right now it's probably a better investment then a 401K!!!!!!!:LOL: :LOL: :LOL:
Cool old truck a friend had one back in high school.It was a good old truck,it had the six,run real good.
Dave, all great ideas but way more than I need to do right now. I just want to go through it and make it mechanically sound so I can drive it on a regular basis. It needs some engine tuning, a little suspension work, and some wiring. Since it is complete and original for the most part, I will just leave it as is. The only mod I might do it drop the front end depending on the rake once the suspension work is done. I like the idea of a straight six. My biscayne is a gas hog. Plus I can practically walk around inside the engine bay. So things are pretty easy to work on.
Try LMC trucks or MACS Auto parts here and hereQuote:
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http://www.macsautoparts.com/
Yup, easy to work on. Built back when things were easy to work on!!!! The old 6 was a decent engine, not a racer at all but solid and reliable. Driven in a reasonable manner and not trying to keep up with freeway speeds should be able to get some decent mpg with it. They're just a neat old truck no matter what. Heck, just enjoy what it is and make some "round to it" plans for someday!Quote:
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Keep the six and enjoy it. That is what I am doing with my 67 F-100 I-6 & three on the tree. I am still running the 1 barrel carb with the oil bath air cleaner. I did put a split Headman Hedder on it for true dual exhaust which really let it breathe easier. It's no rocket but it is simple, reliable and purrs like a kitten. **)
Had a few 223's, they're a pretty good engine. Yours is probably a 215, same basic style. Ford made a 250 or so on the same design, I think I have one in a 3/4 ton, never tore it down to be sure. Only trouble I ever had was timing chains, two of 'em went. Easy to fix. The last year of production went to gear drive and a reverse rotation cam.1963? I think.
For 59, it's a 223 according to all the info I can gather. This weekend I ran through the motor changed oil and filter (I think is had the OEM oil in it...black as ink, sludge in the filter cartridge), cleaned spark plugs (one was carbon fouled so bad the spark gap was non-existent), installed exhaust manifold/pipe gasket (none installed, nuts were not even finger tight), pulled VC and half of the rockers had 1/16 of "lash" or so...very loose, adjusted all of those. The guy said the head was off when he purchased it a couple years ago so I am thinking that it was not re-installed properly. It already had a new cap (not sure if new rotor), and new fuel pump with integrated vacuum pump, and new wires. All I need now is to repair the choke linkage on the carb and drain/replace the gas in the tank and I will be ready to start it up again. Should sound and run much better. I am surprised it ran at all prior to this. Might explain why it "would not go over 20mph"... So three questions for the time being...
Being a 59, would this have solid or hydraulic lifters? When I adjusted them, I just took the play out of the rockers and left it at that.
Are the rockers non-sequential? IOW, instead of E, I, E, I, E, I.....it looks like it might go (front to back) E, I, I, E, etc...where the #1 and #2 share an intake runner as do #5 and #6. True?
How do you set the timing? I could do it "by ear" I suppose? No timing marks that I can see unless I missed it, no idea what vacuum ought to be...
:rolleyes:
Still waiting patiently... nobody has any knowledge of these? Or is site traffic just getting really low...:(Quote:
Originally Posted by 65cayne
1959 223cid straight six, 1bbl, standard 3-sp
Apparently, you have the last remaining 1959 Ford 223 in existence. It’s probably worth a mint. :cool:
Are the rockers non-sequential? IOW, instead of E, I, E, I, E, I.....it looks like it might go (front to back) E, I, I, E, etc...where the #1 and #2 share an intake runner as do #5 and #6. True?
Since most of these were farm trucks the rockers go: E, I, E, I, O :LOL:
Actually I don't know.
I actually have 2 of these motors. I have not had them apart and would like to know this as well. I got as far as building intake/exhaust for mine but, I never had a reason to pull it apart. The motor ran really well with the new intake/exhaust combo. We built it all out of stainless (even though it looks so dirty) Those are all holley glass bowl 1 bbls on there with progressive linkage.
It always ran very well, plenty of power for my '53 truck.
223's are solid lifters, .015 clearance hot, intake and exhaust.
dang...I typed out a big reply and it got lost for some reason...
Signshop, you got a laugh out of me on that.
Short story, last friday I tightened down the (very) loose bolts holding down the valve train assembly, then ran through and adjusted the valves w/engine running to 0.012" and by the time I finished the engine sounded AMAZING. Took it for its first test drive the next day day. More later...
Here are a few more pics of my truck that I took after driving it...
some more pics...
and a couple more...
Valves are .019 and .019 hot. Point gap .025 ,plugs .034 .Timing 6 BTDC . Front to back E-I-I-E-I-E-E-I-E-I-I-E . Firing order I will always remember 153624.
I have a 1963 Motors Manual if you need more info.
Make sure your vac advance is working.
I grew up with these in my Dads 54-56 ford trucks.I had one that I rebuilt that I sold cheap.I just didn,t care for it.Really slow and fuel mileage wasn,t that great.But they are a steady old engine.
Should be a 223, never heard continental get credit. If you go to the Fordsix site you can get some good info. The truck version was a 262 I think but I don't think a straight out interchange on parts, those are fairly uncommon. 1964 was the last year for the 223.
When changing a timing gear, remember the marks don't line up like later engines, they have 12 pins (chain links) between them. Ask me how I know, lol.
Also the head bolt sizes changed somewhere. I put a 60 head on a 63 block once and had to drill out all the holes in the head.
To me the 57-60 is a way nicer and more desirable truck than the 53-56, better looking too except for the 60 and it has an ugly mugg. The best looking one is 57 with the single headlights, then 58 still had the nice hood lines and round turn signals, 59 looked like a 58 but had the uglier hood and square turn signals.
These are very good cabs but the cross brace will rust out, you can pull up the matt and see if it is coming through. Also look at the door/fender gap. If it is starting to be wider at the bottom then you need some attention to the cab mounts. I have actually jacked the cab back in place with a floor jack and put 2x4s on top of the frame to keep the doors out of the fenders, worked good for a couple years.
My ideal truck would be a red/white or turquoise/white 57 big window, short wide with a 312 and 3 speed with overdrive.
65 Cayne - Truck looks great as is. Those old six's have great torque, and are very reliable. You better install a security system, like Dave said theose trucks are more valuble than 401k's these days, as evidenced by the guy hidding in the bed of your truck in the above photos, he looks to be waitng for the opertunity to go for a joy ride!:LOL:
Find a late '70's pickup toploader four speed overdrive trans, it should bolt right in and give the six a break at highway speeds. 70% overdrive.
Already registered over there... agreed. And yes, it is a 223 for sure.Quote:
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Yes, and that is about the only spot I have rust. The rest is solid.Quote:
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Just got a 1960 MOTORS manual from pops. Go tthe truck running/starting reliably, rockers adjusted, timing adjusted to 4 initial, and I am getting about 8-9 degrees advance from the vac set-up.
I still have NO power though. It falls flat on it's face with even the slightest load. I am suspecting the carb but not sure.... suggestions?