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I've got a 1986 gas guzzling F150 2X4 grew cab Ford pickup Truck. It's fuel injected, and has a 302 engine. How can I get a little more power out of this beast without spending a lot of money. I am an old hot rodder, and anything I have owned has had power, but I am playing catch up now that I am retired. Last car I built was a 78 dodge. Any suggestions will be greatly appreciated
Hey what's a centrifugal blower. They didn't have them when I came along, and I'm not an old geeser either, also to day is my 43 wedding anniversary. I am not but 39 yrs. old. To prove that my oldest son is not but 45 yrs old, and I was married when he was born. Now what did I do with that calculator. I keep forgetting where I put things. I guess I'll have to find me a 427 FE motor and do an engine swap.
Naw! I don't want to go that deep. I've got a F100 short bed pickup with a 351 Cleveland with a 75 little chevy clip that I'm building now. I need to rewire it for starts.
Shoot You Think You Have A Guzzler I Have A 429sjc In My F-350 And I Have To A Fuel Truck Fallow Me:D :D :D
But you got power i hope. Mine need a tanker in tow with no power. 13 MPG and wont pull . I've got a 78 Dodge Maxi Custom van with a 60 over bore 400. Comp. cam a little head work, performer intake with 4 barrel carb, and a few other little mods. It gets 13 MPG highway and runs and pull like the dikins. I've been thinking about putting the Gearhead mod on the 747 trans to get overdrive. Anyone have any suggestions on that.
Yep I Have Plenty Of Power 13 Mpg I Get Maybe 8 As Long As I Keep My Foot Out Of The Secondary's what did chrysler come out with a new trany I heard of a 727 torc flite never a 747 I thought that was a big plane:LOL: :LOL: :LOL:
put a nice torquey exhaust on the, cost probably $750
swap the cam out with something a lil more peppy, you could get a decent one from crane for about $150-$200 i reccomend changing the cam bearings but thats difficult without taking the engine
apart
depending on which 302 you have exactly, you can deck the block and turn it into a zero clearance engine and get a little higher compression(not expensive, just a pain in the ass)
you can put a cold air intake kit on there, K&N makes one for about $150 and its supposed to give you 15-20HP and 8-10lbs torque(offroad use only)
or you can be like mcguyver and make your own intake out of some tubing and a cone filter, doing this bypasses the airbox and baffle and gives you a higher flow filter.
these 4 modifications can be done at seperate times when you can afford them instead of having to put out the money all at one time while the engine is apart, but if you decided to deck the block and do the cam, make sure you do the cam first, and when U get the block decked have a good machinist do it for you, because your cam will make your valves open up a little furter...
enjoy the knowledge geezer that you've recieved from a 19 y/o, i'm just a kid :D
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Originally posted by john gemmer
Yep I Have Plenty Of Power 13 Mpg I Get Maybe 8 As Long As I Keep My Foot Out Of The Secondary's what did chrysler come out with a new trany I heard of a 727 torc flite never a 747 I thought that was a big plane:LOL: :LOL: :LOL:
Opps!!!! John your're right. It is a 727 with a shift kit. My son works for American airlines and that's where the 747 came from. Having a senior moment I guess. But it's a fun buggy to drive.
Out of the mouths of babes come revelations. Thanks Thesals, and note I capitalized that name. I am thinking about changing the cam out and doing some porting on the heads. Let it breathe a little also. Don't want to tie up too much money because I have several projects going like my 60 F100 clipped with a 351 Cleveland. I have more time than money now that I am retired, but I'm never going to grow up.
dang One Boy you kind of sound like me I got two chevys one pontiac three ford and a yamaha in the tree Oh wait that aint right a partridge in a pear tree :LOL: :LOL: :LOL: Oh yeah Im never growing up either maybe out but not up :LOL:
i dont even wanna know where i'll be when I'm you're guy's ages, i already have a 66 mustang 69 galaxie 71 econoline a 61 rambler a 55 buick and 2 79 yamahas
86 EFI? Thats the multi-port i'll assume. And now(drum roll please) the 20yr olds advice! The amount of HP is really relative to the amount of cash you want to spend. A few cheap tricks on the 5.0 are a cam, a high flow exhaust and a good ignition. The factory setup on all fords during the 80s was highly restrictive. Most of this can actually be found in the muffler itself. Pull that, bolt on a $30 turbo muffler, youll feel the difference. As for the cam, Crane has a few decent cams for that particular 5.0. With a 6500R redline(dont quote this) this is a heavy breathing engine. As such, a little lift goes a long way. As far as the cold-air intake, thesals hit it dead on. The factory box tends to collect heat directly under the filter. There are a few ways to cure this problem. Either run a direct out plumbing setup, but if you live in a dusty area this is a bad idea due to lack of filtration. My personal suggestion is this. Off the outside of the air intake, run a hose directly to your fender. Cut out a hole to match your hose, and you have an external air draw. Just be sure it doesnt point directly down. As for your ignition, a good high-voltage coil will do wonders. Just be sure to replace the cap/rotor/wires with a quality set and it should hold up nicely. Finally, replace every rubber vacum line on this motor as soon as possible. With nearly 20 years of use, the first thing to go on these motors is the vacum lines. Huge power loss. In the process, it may be wise to replace the PCV valve and EGR valve. The PCV is found on the back near the firewall. Chances are good that the seal is bad. Its a 1-2 inch rubber gromit, very easy to replace. As for the EGR, its on the side of your plenum near the throttle plates. You may want to replace it, you may want to dis-engage it, thats your choice. A effective move for the EGR is to clean it with a knife you dont care about. But when its $15 for the new one, its ultimatly your call. Hope this Helps.
Two Yamahamers Cool I've Had Mine Since The Age Of 16 It Was My First Road Bike If I Had Any Since I Would Get Rid Of It But Just Cant Seem To Part With It Even After The Dealer Told Me There No Part Available For It But Me Being The Bullheaded Person That I Am I'll Put It Back On The Road Again One Day :p :dQuote:
Originally posted by thesals
i dont even wanna know where i'll be when I'm you're guy's ages, i already have a 66 mustang 69 galaxie 71 econoline a 61 rambler a 55 buick and 2 79 yamahas
Thanks a bunch drg84. I have not kept up with the hot Rod industry since the late 70's. Had kids to educate etc. You have been extremely helpful. I just can't drive a guzzler with no power.Quote:
Originally posted by drg84
86 EFI? Thats the multi-port i'll assume. And now(drum roll please) the 20yr olds advice! The amount of HP is really relative to the amount of cash you want to spend. A few cheap tricks on the 5.0 are a cam, a high flow exhaust and a good ignition. The factory setup on all fords during the 80s was highly restrictive. Most of this can actually be found in the muffler itself. Pull that, bolt on a $30 turbo muffler, youll feel the difference. As for the cam, Crane has a few decent cams for that particular 5.0. With a 6500R redline(dont quote this) this is a heavy breathing engine. As such, a little lift goes a long way. As far as the cold-air intake, thesals hit it dead on. The factory box tends to collect heat directly under the filter. There are a few ways to cure this problem. Either run a direct out plumbing setup, but if you live in a dusty area this is a bad idea due to lack of filtration. My personal suggestion is this. Off the outside of the air intake, run a hose directly to your fender. Cut out a hole to match your hose, and you have an external air draw. Just be sure it doesnt point directly down. As for your ignition, a good high-voltage coil will do wonders. Just be sure to replace the cap/rotor/wires with a quality set and it should hold up nicely. Finally, replace every rubber vacum line on this motor as soon as possible. With nearly 20 years of use, the first thing to go on these motors is the vacum lines. Huge power loss. In the process, it may be wise to replace the PCV valve and EGR valve. The PCV is found on the back near the firewall. Chances are good that the seal is bad. Its a 1-2 inch rubber gromit, very easy to replace. As for the EGR, its on the side of your plenum near the throttle plates. You may want to replace it, you may want to dis-engage it, thats your choice. A effective move for the EGR is to clean it with a knife you dont care about. But when its $15 for the new one, its ultimatly your call. Hope this Helps.
Oh! and I guess I need to learn to put my reply in the right place also. But Thanks again drg84, your information is very helpful as well as economical. I'm starting all over again in the hot rod stuff.
Always glad to help. Thats a fairly good motor there if you know how to take care of it. And above all else, Keep It Oiled!
You got that right. Oil screen to close to the bottom of the sump in the pan they tell me, and you must keep the oil changed regularly, for which I do on all my vehicles. Every 3000 miles which may be a little excessive. Have'nt had to much experience with the small block Fords. I've got a 60 F100 short bed with a 351 Cleveland that I'm starting on. Thanks again drg84
Thats Not To Excessive I Change Mine Every 1500 And Change Fluid And Filter In My Tranny Every Other Oil Change I Read An Article Once Oil Starts Breaking Down After 1500 Mile And Should Change Oil No Longer Then 3000 Miles But I Figured The Money I Have Invested In My Motors I'm Mot Taking Any Chances And The Trany That Just My Pet Peeve But I Figured A Ounce Of prevention Will Keep Me RollingQuote:
Originally posted by One Boy
You got that right. Oil screen to close to the bottom of the sump in the pan they tell me, and you must keep the oil changed regularly, for which I do on all my vehicles. Every 3000 miles which may be a little excessive. Have'nt had to much experience with the small block Fords. I've got a 60 F100 short bed with a 351 Cleveland that I'm starting on. Thanks again drg84
I have had exceptional service out of my trannies. I've got a 78 Maxi custom van with a 400 cid that I punched out 60 over, a little head work and cam. The usual stuff that goes with that like intake, headers and perfomer carb, and posi trac rear end. The only thing that I had done to the tranny was cooler and shift kit. Man you talk about torque, now I have twisted some drive shafts like pretzales. The tranny has 350,000 on it. I change fluids and filters on them every 50,000. My buddys thought I had lost my mind putting an engine like that in a Maxi Van, but I've always wanted to be a little different
I Know I Change The Fluid And Filter More Then I Have To But A Filters Only $7 It Kind Of Cheap Insurance I Guess
As far as automatic transmissions go, theres a bit of a rule. If it has had regular changes since installation, keep at it. However, if it hasnt had a fluid change since it went in,is high mileage, and it is working well, leave it alone. Too many people buy a used car with 75K+ on the origional transmission and then change the fluids only to find the transmission burned out due to a clogged port. As for the reccomended, i believe its every 30K on an auto. As for the 3K miles on the oil change, thats a good plan of attack. 1500 is a little short, but whatever suits you john. I personally reccomend a bottle of Slick50 every other oil change as well. Never had a problem with it on a standard use car. The oil filters, I change them with every oil change. No use picking up particles from the filter with fresh oil:)
I've Never Heard That Rule Before But No Matter Every Car I Buy Get A Service Kit As Far As The Filter I Have Never Change Oil With Out Changing The Filter Too I Don't Know It's Kind Of Automatic Change Oil Change Filter You Mean People Change Oil With Out Changing The Filter That's Just Plain Stupid That Defeat The Purpose Of Changing The Oil You Might As Well Not Even Do It I'm not saying My ways the right way It's just the way I do it you guys have a merry christmas