I never thought I would see this!!!!!!!!

Holy crap.

http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eB...ayphotohosting


Sigh . . . WAY out of my reach.

I'm sorry but what's so special about it?

The one scary aspect I see is that this seller has some real question marks in his Ebay feedback ratings. One or two, you can see, but he has quite a few negatives.

Where there is smoke, there is fire, and I would be worried about how honest the description is, as far as how good this particular engine is.

Crazy price, but after seeing the Barrett-Jackson fiasco, nothing surprises me about prices of this kind of stuff.

Thanks for sharing this auction with us.

Don

I'd be afraid of it. Maybe no rods, pistons, cams, valves, etc., etc.

totally suspicious.... but that would be one hell of an engine to score :D could probably remachine your own 427 into a cammer at that kind of price tho

DAAAMN! :eek:

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rare

"I'm sorry but what's so special about it?"



SpecialEd34: Some of the other guys on here will be able to answer this better, but essentially, this is a very rare engine developed either by Ford or Holman-Moody, and I think they were built for NASCAR competition, to enable Ford to compete with the Hemi's. I could be way out in left field on that, but I saw that you were asking, and I wanted to put it back out there so one of the other, more knowledgeable, members could give you the real scoop.

I think the heads featured double overhead cams? Since I knew I would never be able to afford one, I didn't pay any attention to them. But I was at a car show a few years ago, and a Ford of about 1964 vintage came through, and sounded like a fuel dragster. When he parked and popped the hood there was a cammer in it. Really impressive and big.

Don

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Nope on that one. :LOL:

Check these out though.

http://search.ebay.com/427-ford_W0QQ...2427Q20fordQ22

mallory distributor

http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/427-F...15731506QQrdZ1

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Prudhomme ran one in the late '60's, didn't have much luck with it though. I think Ed Schartman ran one in the Cyclone Comet if my memory isn't failing me and there were others that I can't remember.

Sorry Denny, I meant to quote Itoldyouso

What do you suppose the reserve is, still a day to go on the cammer !!!! Way out of my price range.

The cammers were just single overhead cams not double. Thus the 427 SOHC you see on the valvecover under the Ford oval. This one is very close to the reserve it seems and bringing very good money. I'd have to think with a $35k BIN price he's maybe $32-33 on the reserve? Aftermarket cammer parts are being made. New 427 cammer heads from Kaase are done and being tested. They should be out soon if the tests went well. I heard by end of Jan they would be out but now end of Feb and still nothing. But hopefully soon. I've been toying with the idea of building one of these myself. I've crunched some numbers and using aftermarket parts close to $22k. Most of the parts are out there for the aftermarket. A few different guys are working on billet cams and differnet grinds. It sure is tempting....I've lusted over these engines for a long ....long.....time......

G.

I'm not real familiar with these engines, but I remember an article a long while back of a guy in Detroit with a '61 Galaxie Starliner with one of these engines. He drove it on the street and if I remember correctly, he had to put new chains on that bad boy every 100-200 miles :eek: .

ok so heres a lil more correct history lesson on the cammer... the cammer was built in 1967 as a ford attempt to win races in nascar, because the engines had to be used as a production engine as well 500 were put in 67 galaxies that were sold to the public(hence why they're so rare)... also the cammer was the highest horsepower factory engine built until the 1987 lambo

And to add prototypes had been built and tested since late 64 using a converted centeroiler block and early prototype heads with the spark plugs down by the exaust not close to the intake like later production cammers. Also production cammers used sideoiler blocks and rumored production stats between as many as 2000-2500 engines built total. I have a picture of a "wall of cammers" from Holman Moody moody in 67 showing John Holman standing in a sea of cammer engines with a wall behind him packed 3 deep on shelves. If someone can post it I'll email it to them. It's pretty cool!

G.

The Cammer powered a huge group of great running cars from '65 through the early '70s. The original fleet of '66 Comet flip top funnies, organized by Mercury, used them with great success, and they were raced by people like Connie Kalitta, Dyno Don nicholson, Ohio George Montgomery, Tom Hoover, Mickey Thompson, Don Prudhomme, and many many more.

The original cost that Ford reported was supposed to be $22,000 per motor, but they made them available to the best racers at a much lower cost. "Legendary" would be a good way to describe them, and they've never been cheap! Today they are scarce, but older enthusiasts think of them as very exotic!

I sure do wish I was rich instead of so dang good looking, I'd be all over that thing!!!!!! Sure would look nice all clean and shiny in my roadster. Anybody wants to buy it for me, I'd accept it as a Christmas or Birthday present!!! If you need my address for the shipping, let me know.....

Denny sent you the HM cammer pic. Nice pics of Mike Jackson and his cammer Galaxie. His son Kevin carries the torch now and has his car. Also he continued the cammer parts biz they were making and selling. Very nice stuff! Mike was one of the best cammer guys out there.

G.

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It's a Ford " Cammer ", very rare and to my knowladge were used in the Ford Thunderbolts.

First let me say that my memory isn't really accurate. :-) I don't recall any '64 models factory equipped with the cammer, so I doubt the factory built any T-bolts.

AS I recall, there were two '65 comets with cammers, Nicholson and the Super Cyclone, maybe a Mustang fastback or two for A/FX, in '66 there were the "long nosed Mustangs" of Gas Rhonda and others, Stone Woods and Cook ran a Mustang nitro Funny, 6-'66 Comet funny cars, Jack Chrisman's was supercharged, a Ford built dragster/show car called the Super Mustang, Kalitta, Prudhomme, Hoover and maybe more in dragsters, in '67 another fleet of funnies including a topless roadster, George Montgomery, and Maybe Skip Hess in AA/GS, and by '68 there were a lot of Cougar and Mustang funnies running them. In '69 Mickey Thompson had a Mustang funny car that revolutionized the class, and by '70 there were a few showing up in Street Roadster class, and some lower dragster classes.

Man, He doesn't live that far from where I live,I am on the eastern panhandle of WV and that is near the other panhandle.If I had that kind of money to get something like that,that would be nice I have been to cumberland before that would be not that long of a ride.But I am only dreaming and would get something like that in a dream LOL.

Denny thanks for posting the pic! Can you imagine at todays market valve how much money all those would be worth?

G.

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First let me say that my memory isn't really accurate. :-) I don't recall any '64 models factory equipped with the cammer, so I doubt the factory built any T-bolts.

AS I recall, there were two '65 comets with cammers, Nicholson and the Super Cyclone, maybe a Mustang fastback or two for A/FX, in '66 there were the "long nosed Mustangs" of Gas Rhonda and others, Stone Woods and Cook ran a Mustang nitro Funny, 6-'66 Comet funny cars, Jack Chrisman's was supercharged, a Ford built dragster/show car called the Super Mustang, Kalitta, Prudhomme, Hoover and maybe more in dragsters, in '67 another fleet of funnies including a topless roadster, George Montgomery, and Maybe Skip Hess in AA/GS, and by '68 there were a lot of Cougar and Mustang funnies running them. In '69 Mickey Thompson had a Mustang funny car that revolutionized the class, and by '70 there were a few showing up in Street Roadster class, and some lower dragster classes.

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wasn't shure where I read on T bolts having cammers, but I did read it somewhere, which after a quick google search, prooved bad info. I'd like to have that engine but, 40k isn't worth putting into a 1k Falcon

Matt, I just thought I'd give a rough idea of what I remember them in. I lived 90 miles from Indy, and attended the Nationals from '62 to '74. I lived for cars, so I paid pretty close attention to what was being produced, and what was showing up at the race.

I remember the Super Cyclone '65 Comet sitting beside a barn in central illinois, just before I left. It would be worth a lot now!

Sorry Matt, Thunderbolt had side oilers, not cammers:



Dennis Kolodziej rockets from the starting line in his restored 1964 Ford Thunderbolt.
DEARBORN, June 16, 2004 -- Pop quiz: 2004 is the 40th anniversary of what significant Ford?

Well, yes there's that Pony car, but 2004 also marks the 40th anniversary of the Ford Thunderbolt. A special high-performance version of the Fairlane 500, the Thunderbolt was the first and only complete drag racer built for and sold to the general public.

"Before 1963, the Ford drag racer was the Galaxie 500," said Dennis Kolodziej, Ford division process engineer in Powertrain Operations and Thunderbolt enthusiast and historian. "It wasn't that competitive because of its weight. Ford looked at the possibility of converting the smaller Fairlane and once that proved feasible, the company took the next step of building a limited number of the cars and selling them to the public."

Developed by Ford's Special Vehicle Department, the Thunderbolt was eventually built at the Dearborn Steel Tubing Company (DST). Initially, the first eleven vehicles were production cars assembled at the Rouge and sent to DST for disassembly and conversion. After the initial run, however, the process shifted gears and the remaining 89 Fairlanes were shipped to DST as incomplete vehicles for modification and final assembly.

The Thunderbolt was a Fairlane 500 two-door sedan without sound deadener, sealer and insulation and minus the unnecessary frills of radio, heater, rear-window cranking mechanism, carpeting and one front windshield wiper. The side windows were made of Plexiglas. Hoods, fenders, doors and the front bumper were fiberglass. Special traction bar eliminated body roll. Beneath the hood, the Thunderbolt came with a 427-center oiler High Riser engine and dual 4 barrel carburetors.


The Thunderbolt (right) is caught in drag racing action, circa 1964.
"The National Hot Rod Association (NHRA) stipulated that a company had to make at least 50 units of a vehicle for the car to be eligible in the Super Stock class," Kolodziej said. "So Ford made 50 in late 1963 and 50 more in 1964. The Thunderbolt was so successful that in 1965, the NHRA changed the rule, raising the number to 500. Unfortunately, it was economically impossible for Ford to make that many of such a specialized vehicle. The Company was already loosing $1500 to $2000 on each car. Ford had no option but to cancel the project."

By successful, Kolodziej means the Thunderbolt broke both elapsed time and mile per hour records in 1964, took the NHRA Super Stock title and won the Manufacturer's Cup. "At first, the Thunderbolt almost did not qualify," Kolodziej said. "The cars had to weigh at least 3200 pounds and the Thunderbolt couldn't make the limit. Finally, it had to be raced with a full tank of gas which allowed it to just meet the weight restrictions. In addition, Ford was then required to use a 'metal' front bumper, so aluminum bumpers were manufactured and shipped to vehicle owners to convert cars already delivered."

The Thunderbolt may be gone, but it certainly is not forgotten. On the weekend of June 25–27, The Thunderbolt Owners Association in conjunction with the Fairlane Club of America will hold a reunion at the Holiday Inn Fairlane in Dearborn to commemorate the car's 40th anniversary. Along with a car show featuring the Thunderbolt, the event features an awards dinner, ceremonies, guest speakers and a special dinner and social event.

"Just as important is the chance to talk to some of the original special vehicles' team," Kolodziej said. "For fans of the Thunderbolt, these people have a wealth of information and history to share on the thunderbolt as well as the other cars they developed over the years."


Kolodziej (right) with his restored Thunderbolt; to the left is Larry Davis with a 1964 Lightweight Galaxie, a car Ford built as a backup in case sanctioning bodies did not legalize the Thunderbolt.
Kolodziej will jump at the chance to quiz the special vehicles' engineers on his two Thunderbolts. He has restored the cars and since 1977 has raced his pride and joys. "Other guys are going faster than I am," he said. "Mostly this is nostalgia racing run by enthusiasts. Even so, I can do a quarter mile in 10.6 seconds. That's about 126 miles per hour."

When Kolodziej first purchased the car, his curiosity over the car's history peaked and led him on a search for information that included networking with Thunderbolt fans across the country. Eventually, he traced one of his cars' lineage back to an original car sponsored by Dearborn's Bob Ford, Inc. In the Thunderbolt's day, dealerships often sponsored cars as a way of enticing customers into showrooms. Indeed, it was a partnership between the Ford Special Vehicles Department and East Providence, RI dealership Tasca Ford that led to the initial development of the Thunderbolt.

Of the original 100 Thunderbolts, there are approximately 60 still in existence. Of the 60, just over 20 will be featured at the June reunion in Dearborn. For more information on the Thunderbolt and the reunion, go to Craig Sutton's 1964 Ford Thunderbolt website.

By the way, the cammer no saled at $29,976.00......

Inside of the beast

Pretty hot setup.

Hey Viking, ya must be home again....How was the river????

Wet and cold, glad winters about over.

Know what ya mean, man!!!! winter sucks