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Originally Posted by glennsexton

How ironic - in a "Green State" to penalize an individuals creativity for a lousy 50 gallons of recycled French fry grease every month. I guess they'd prefer to have the grease in the landfill.

Green and greed are only different by one letter......................sorta like Olympia and Salem are only different by one state.

You got that right Uncle Bob.. I think our governors are cut from the same bolt of cloth - green burlap!

Big brother has the oil deal locked in on so many levels that it is nearly impossible for the 'little guy' to get around it.

The big three have been purchasing and 'selving' fuel efficient designs for 50 years now. Big petrolium does not WANT us to get 100 MPG. Remember those articles for the 75 MPG and 150 MPG carburetors in the popular science and mechanics rags? And the guy whom discovered a method of cracking hydrogen on milliamps of power.. dude got poisoned after refused a million-dollar buy-out from the oil barrons.

The corruption runs deep.

Originally Posted by Hombre259

The Tax thing may not apply. Look at all of the diesels now using cooking oil straight from the deep fryers, this is not subject to a road tax. YET!!

Roland

Believe me, the only reason it isn't taxed YET is because the government hasn't figured out a way to tax it. If this becomes a widespread practice they will probably tax the cooking oil before it gets to the chip wagons.

From our friends at snopes.com

"Claim: A miraculous car that gets 200 miles to the gallon is reclaimed by the factory and never seen again after its owner calls to congratulate the manufacturers about its fabulous performance.

Origins: This story has been around longer than most of our readers. A version setting it in Philadelphia appeared in a 1948 newspaper. (Even at that time, the story proved unverifiable, with the article's writer identifying it as such and passing it along only as an example of a current rumor sweeping through the community.) Since that early sighting of more than half a century ago, the legend has gone on to enthrall audience after audience as each couple of years sees it pop up anew.

Its origins are as strange as the story itself. Between 1928 and 1935, Charles Nelson Pogue, an inventor from Canada, applied for numerous patents for what he claimed was a new type of carburetor that supposedly completely vaporized gasoline before introducing it to the cylinders, thereby extracting a great deal more energy from the fuel. According to the Pogue patent description, fuel was introduced into the engine in this vaporous "dry" state rather than in the normal droplet-laden "wet" state, thus combining more readily with air, making it burn with far greater efficiency. Better combustion combined with the raising of the engine's operating temperature from 160°F to 180°F were said to be responsible for vastly improved fuel economy.

So much for the techno-talk. The Pogue carburetor was touted as getting 200+ miles to the gallon. Glowing reports about this miracle of ingenuity's making a 1,879 mile trip on 14.5 gallons appeared in the May 1936 issue of Canadian Automotive Trade magazine, reports which Pogue later denied. A manager of a Winnipeg auto dealership claimed he had driven a Pogue-equipped car 217 miles on a gallon of gasoline. A different dealer principal claimed to have driven 26 miles on a pint of fuel.

The story snowballed onward from those breathless testimonials as one rumor quickly followed on the heels of another. Thieves were reputed to have broken into Pogue's shop and made off with three of his carburetors. There was talk of armed guards and wolfhounds guarding the shop and the now-famous inventor. Wealthy backers (from Winnipeg or Toronto, depending on whom you heard the story from) were rumored to be bankrolling Pogue, but the arrangements mysteriously fell through. Ford of Canada was said to have bought the invention outright. All in all it was a very exciting time.

Alas, one can get by on mere smoke and mirrors for only so long. Those with sense enough to not be deafened by the hyperbole were not long kept at bay with tales of wolfhounds, thieves, and mysterious briefcase-toting moneymen. They wanted to see the carburetor.
That, of course, was never permitted.

No one reputable was allowed to see the mechanical miracle in action, let alone have a chance to measure its results. After the initial excitement over Pogue's 1936 announcement had faded, more serious types began to openly doubt that the carburetor would work as described. In the December 1936 issue of Automotive Industries magazine, its engineering editor, P.M. Heldt, said of a sketch of the Pogue carburetor: "The sketch fails to show any features hitherto unknown in carburetor practice, and absolutely gives no warrant for crediting the remarkable results claimed." Other journalists were beginning to voice similar opinions.

In response to calls to put up or shut up, Pogue's miracle carburetor was heard of no more. Faced with the choice of believing someone had made claims his invention couldn't later live up to or that a monied bad guy had bought up a technology to forever keep it off the market, at least some chose to believe the suppression theory. That the carburetor never made it to the public, they said, was proof enough of its existence

Those 1930s news stories breathlessly trumpeting Pogue's miracle of technology form the basis of the economical carburetor legend now before us. As gas prices fluctuate, our dependence on fossil fuels is driven home time and again . Who wouldn't long for a miracle of engineering that would free us from the tyranny of the gas pump? And thus the groundwork for belief is laid.

As sometimes happens in the world of urban legends, desire for something to be true transforms a rumor into certainty that this very thing is fact. Over the years, our legend about a 200 mpg car has bobbed to the surface in community after community, been debunked in numerous respected publications, and bobbed right back up in the wake of those debunkings. The need to believe in this wondrous technology and the evil car manufacturers who are deliberately withholding it from the market appears too strong to combat.

A bit of rational thought should be all that's needed to lay this legend to rest. Why would the car manufacturers at all care about keeping such a technological advance away from consumers? Unlike the petroleum companies, they've no vested interest in how much fuel a car uses. An automaker's self interest is best served by getting the newest irresistible technology to the consumer before his competitors do. If any one of them possessed the secret of the 200 mpg car, he'd have rushed it into production, hoping to beat his competitors to the punch.

Those who are tempted to believe the Evil Government is responsible for keeping this miracle out of our hands should reflect for a moment on the current state of world politics. The government of the United States would like nothing better than to throw off the yoke of dependence upon foreign oil. A miraculous carburetor would grant that freedom, allowing Americans to continue to enjoy current levels of use without the need to go hat in hand to OPEC or even those dastardly Canadians. The domestic supply would be more than enough."

An interesting read...

Regards All,
Glenn

How long would the current automaker crisis persist if they could dust off some of those old "shelved" miracle carbs and get 200 MPG from a Ford/Chev/Chrysler? Toyota and Honda would be left at the starting gate!
If anybody still believes in those tall tales, I have a few bridges to sell, cheap!!

You honestly believe the big three are not in bed with big oil?

Originally Posted by firebird77clone

You honestly believe the big three are not in bed with big oil?

If they are ...it ain't workin'.

Originally Posted by R Pope

How long would the current automaker crisis persist if they could dust off some of those old "shelved" miracle carbs and get 200 MPG from a Ford/Chev/Chrysler? Toyota and Honda would be left at the starting gate!
If anybody still believes in those tall tales, I have a few bridges to sell, cheap!!

I could use a bridge, how long is it????

If the auto manufacturers had such a thing it would be on their cars in a heartbeat!!!! Talk about something that would spur sales. There is no magic fuel system, the new efi systems realize about the highest efficiency you can get from gasoline..... Just plain old physics discounts these 100 mpg carbs and other such nonsense.....

Originally Posted by Dave Severson

I could use a bridge, how long is it????

It's reeeaaaall Long.........but it don't go no where.

I may be wrong here but as far as i knew about running you diesil truck on frier oil is that it takes a healthy mixture of the oil and methanol to do this. Am i wrong ??

Originally Posted by canadianal

I may be wrong here but as far as i knew about running you diesil truck on frier oil is that it takes a healthy mixture of the oil and methanol to do this. Am i wrong ??

A Diesel will run on almost any type of oil and needs no additives. The key is making it flow at lower temperatures. Frier oil will usually congeal at temperatures found in winter (possibly even spring and fall where you live) so it has to be preheated. A friend of mine has devised a system using engine coolant to heat the oil. The diesel is started on regular diesel fuel, then switched over when the engine comes up to temperature.

heck the diesil will congeal up here. In the winter they go to a thinner winter grade that runs through your engine and ive had it freeze up too.
I remember now! methanol is used in the production of bio diesil as a catalist of some kind what is doesn i dont know but its involved in it somehow

If Im not mistaken some oldsmobile cutlass in the approximate late 70 to early 80s model came out of the factory with a 350 diesel. It was a gas engine that the general converter to a diesel. Every single person I knew who owned one of these had nothing but probelms constantly. Those that kept them had the motors go south at early miles. I know of 2 that puked out at less that 100K. Like someone else stated on this thread. If you want a diesel motor...go buy one I think is the best advice you have got so far.