Am I the only one to hear it or did I hear it wrong when they said that the run where she beat Capps was the first time in competition this year that she left before her opponent? I find that hard to believe but I think thats what they said.
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Am I the only one to hear it or did I hear it wrong when they said that the run where she beat Capps was the first time in competition this year that she left before her opponent? I find that hard to believe but I think thats what they said.
id still like to take a modern top fuel motor and smack it on a FED chassis <unlike good guys 6-71 and single mag motors> twin mage 14-71 8000 horse on a front engine chassis c'mon admit that would be great!
FED's were dangerous enough with an 8-71 and 3,000 horse!!! :LOL: :LOL:Quote:
Originally Posted by gassersrule_196
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Originally Posted by Dave Severson
quote from terrible tommy ivo: " i guess that it shows when your young your fearless!"
Well, an old equation my Dad used to use is just a bit differen from TV Tom's: Young + Fearless= STUPID enough to try anything once!!!!:LOL: :LOL: :LOL:Quote:
Originally Posted by gassersrule_196
damn right
isnt that like hes using her?????Quote:
Originally Posted by iceburgh
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It's professional drag racing and it's very expensive. If someone has to get "used" a bit to bankroll a new team, so be it. We're talking 300mph funny cars, not women's rights!!!! Way I see it, most every form of advertising is using or abusing something or someone...isn't that the American Way??????:LOL: :LOL: :LOL: :LOL: :LOL:Quote:
Originally Posted by BigTruckDriver
Ok Dave, lets just ask for the sake of discussion here, lets say this weekend she scraps another body or sends some more cones into orbit? What then?
At what point does the NHRA step in suggest she try the alky funny's for a while?
Does anyone remember the NHRA parking someone before for being a little skittish on the track?
For the record I think she'll do fine. I may even pick up one of her T-shirts and if she wins this weekend I'll send it to Dave.
just think of it as an exhibition car, 6500 horse, on 145 inch wheelbase :D
I don't recall NHRA ever revoking a top fuel license for other then drunk in the pits or something stupid like that.... She will without a doubt make many, many more passes in a squirrely car and probably pound out a few more cones, too. Heck, I took out some cones in a Super Gas car, stuff happens!!!! If they start sending drivers back to an alky car cuz they get a bit skittish on the track, sure will get easier to make the field!!!!! At this point in her rookie season, I don't see where she is actually doing any better or worse then most rookies do in their first year... Let's see, they want from Seattle to Sonoma this week, betcha Dad had her on a track someplace making some more passes this week!!!! I seriously doubt pulling her license was or will be even a consideration with NHRA.....nor do I see any reason it should be..... As I've said before, if she wasn't John's kid none of this would even have been noticed or talked about. Whether it's her or someone else, I sure do like to see new blood moving into the top fuel ranks!!!! Sure does keep the old dudes on their toes!!!!Quote:
Originally Posted by Mike in Motown
I wonder what the most upsetting part of Ashley driving a funny car is too most folks. The fact that she's John's daughter, the fact that she's a woman, or just plain old jealousy cuz she has an opportunity to do what the rest of us can only dream about doing?????
I have worked for a fuel team for a few years......you would not believe some of the things that happen in the pits between drivers and crew and the NHRA has turned a blind eye when they can. I dont see them taking her booting her back to Alky or any place else
I think jealousy is the operative word here.Quote:
Originally Posted by Dave Severson
True , yep!!!!!:LOL:Quote:
Originally Posted by Dave Severson
IMO, I dont think its jealousy I think It could be that she could hurt herself or someone else with out proper experience. I think every one should be amazed a chick can do it! I also do think there is a difference in wanting to learn and having to learn.:whacked:Quote:
Originally Posted by NTFDAY
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Originally Posted by NTFDAY
I think of it more as 'what if' theoretical conversation.
And who are 'they' and 'all those' who call for her sure failure? I dont see or hear them. whomever they are.
I wonder if guilt feelings towards women may be the operative words here.:p
Yup, just a poor, helpless little girl that was very competitive in top alcohol and now has one of the best crews and some of the best equipment available for her use and does 300+ mph passes in a funny car!!!!:rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes:Quote:
Originally Posted by BigTruckDriver
Heck yes I'm jealous!!!! Maybe if I wasn't so old and ugly I could get hooked up with one of them Force girls and have me a ride just like Robert Hight!!!!! Don't understand why you younger guys are hanging around here and not down the flower shop sending them girls flowers and trying to get a date!!!! :LOL: :LOL: :LOL: :LOL:
Acutally, guess I'd try to convince my future Father in law that it was time for a Top Fuel Dragster, them funny cars scare the heck out of me!!! When them big KA-BOOMS and fireballs happen, I'd prefer it was behind me!!!!!
On second thought, Mr. Force, if you're reading this you could buy me a new Top Alcohol Dragster and I'd promise to stay away from your daughters forever!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
She's one of my league piks this week.
As crazy as the seasons gone I figure what the heck.
go connolly,and WJ, down with anderson and line !!!!!
Scooter, you and I think alike. :3dSMILE:Quote:
Originally Posted by gassersrule_196
As long as his last name isn't Anderson or Johnson, don't care who wins Pro Stock!!!!:LOL: :LOL: :LOL:
Dave, why do you think that there is no one running Fords in Pro Stock?
Money, way I hear it.... Ford has all it's money spent on John Force, probably not much left for Pro Stock. Rusty Glidden is still going strong in the 5.0 classes. The last few years, Ford has spent a bunch of money on the midgets, too. That new zx-2 midget engine class has brought them a bunch of new customers.... Maybe they'd get back into Pro Stock if another Bob Glidden would come along, dunno...Quote:
Originally Posted by NTFDAY
Heck yes I'm jealous!!!! Maybe if I wasn't so old and ugly I could get hooked up with one of them Force girls and have me a ride just like Robert Hight!!!!! Don't understand why you younger guys are hanging around here and not down the flower shop sending them girls flowers and trying to get a date!!!!
Dave, if i was not married again, i would be moving back to cali, and doing everything i could to get close to that hot girl.
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Originally Posted by NTFDAY
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Originally Posted by kitz
Come on Kitz, I love it when they interview John, he's hilarious!:LOL: :LOL: :LOL:
MIKE NEFF???????????
MIKE NEFF?????
Now I understand the mechanic turned driver thing as a positive but from what I heard on the tube he took 'a squirt' in Selzi's car and has motocross and GO KART EXPERIENCE?????????????? THATS IT?????????
I know Medlin and Height had little experience in the seat but not sure if they had this little, maybe so. Does John not like to pay drivers so he hires rooks?
You mean to tell me there were no candidates in the alky or pro mod ranks, or in drag racing, period?
Does this speak to the legitimacy of pro FC drivers spot against the worlds greatest drivers in other types of racing?
Yeah he is. He is so full of energy and sometimes other matter. I do really like him though and think he's right at home in the Funnys. :LOL:Quote:
Originally Posted by Sinister
I saw him spank the daughter in a race last night. He certainly didn't let her win. :LOL:
Kitz
There was a lot of really good racing on last night. Right now John needs the wins more than she does. He has a lot of ground to make up, and as much as I would like to see her win more often, she's just not going to be that high in the rankings this year. But John has a chance to climb and letting Ashley win just isn't in the cards. At least not this year, and maybe never.
And, from my own experiences as a car owner....It's often a lot easier to teach a driver how you want things done then it is to re-educate a guy with a lot of experience who thinks his way is right...!!!!!! Robert Hight was one of John's mechanics, he seems to have learned his lessons quite well!!! I for one am all for new blood in the sport, tired of seeing the same names every week in Nat. Digger!!!! I would congratulate John from promoting within his own company rather then entering some sort of bidding war for a hired gun!!!! If you have ever had a driver in one of your cars and tried to teach him your way of doing things........I think you would better understand John's logic.... With a record like his, seems others would copy John rather then put him down for his tactics!!!!! Let's give some deserving people a shot at being the driver!!!! Sounds like a most excellent tactic for hiring and keeping good help!!!!!!Quote:
Originally Posted by Mike in Motown
PS, I would imagine Mr. Neff will go through the same training as Robert and Ashley have.....Meaning he too will be a rookie, make rookie mistakes and learn from them!!!! I can't think of anyone more qualified then John Force to be a trainer and coach for a new driver in funny car!!!!
.............and besides all that, think of the strategy of robbing a significant competitor (Schumacher) of a high quality crew chief, which in turn motivated a proven competitor (Scelzi) to choose a "sabatical"!:D
[QUOTE=Dave Severson]Let's give some deserving people a shot at being the driver!!!! QUOTE]
Cmmon Dave! I gotta say this sounds like disagreeing just to do so. I thought someone would respond with some facts of past drag race experience that wasnt mentioned on tv yesterday. Hey why not pick some good looking 'mug for tv' off the street. hey wait John, let me finish my beer and I'll give it a shot.(ok my mug doesnt qualify)
I see the advantage of hiring a crew chief to drive but having NO EXPERIENCE on the strip (assuming thats true) is an advantage?
Far be it for me to question the great John Force but it seems strange to not pick from a pool of drivers with experience (you know there are some out there) in the lower ranks that certainly did more to EARN a shot.
I'm not sure what examples the TV guys gave, but a few that pop to mind in recent history are Kurt Johnson, Greg Anderson, and, in turn, Jason Line. In FC Hight and E. Medlin. My guess would be that these guys, as well as others, have some level of driving experience in lower classes sometime in their history. Haven't heard anything about Neff, but the same could be true for him. I'm sure this isn't the only thread in the world to exclaim some angst about the choice, so we're likely to get to know more about Mike Neff than we may even care to know (when they get to telling us what kind of toilet paper he prefers that will be the sign it's gone too far).Quote:
Originally Posted by Mike in Motown
In years past we've had lots of examples that went the other way too. Ed "The Ace" was a driver for many years before putting on the CC hat, as did Dale Armstrong just to name a couple. Again, these guys probably spent their earlier years as "amateurs" who did it all for their own operation.
I was leaving the door(mind) open for someone to chime in with "oh ya, he ran comp or alky car back in the day". What I wasnt expecting is the blessing of some that figure its ok to grab any dude and stick him/her in top level NHRA pro class. Assuming he doesnt have any seat time doesnt this speak to the 'legitimacy' of the current situation? Something that the NHRA outwardly strives for and uses NASCAR as a benchmark?
I just dont buy the 'start from scratch' theory, period.
Neff's bringing some cash to the table or John thinks his magic touch can turn anyone into a winning pro and doesnt wanna pay an extablished driver.
Why don't you try telling that to Garlits, Kalitta, Prudhomme, Eddie Hill, Shirley Muldowney, Fred Stone, Leonard Woods, amongst others? :rolleyes:Quote:
Originally Posted by Mike in Motown
I doubt that. John can afford to hire anyone he wanted.... But why???? So you can try to teach someone with a bunch of habits the Force way of doing things???? And have to fight and argue with him to get things done the way you want them done??? Maybe, just maybe John actually wants to give a young guy who's been working his butt off on the crew a shot at being a driver!!!!! What a strange concept!!!! Helping someone rather then just using them as a stepping stone to get where you want to be!!!! He did it with Robert Hight and it seems to be paying some good dividends!!!!! If you don't buy the starting from scratch theory on driver's, it's because you haven't had a hired driver in your car!!!! I've had a few... One was a very good driver, used to running his own car and doing things his way...he lasted 3 weekends and we sent him packing. I wasn't ready to change our operation to suit him!!! I would imagine hiring a professional, established driver is much the same, only to a far greater degree!!!!Quote:
Originally Posted by Mike in Motown
John does a lot of things in an unconventional manner. He does things his way!!! With the record John has, far be it for me to question his choice for a driver!!!!!
:LOL: :LOL: :LOL: Thanks for the "rest of the story" Bob. I've been gone for awhile and only caught this part of the deal.Quote:
Originally Posted by Bob Parmenter
http://competitionplus.com/index.php...=3478&Itemid=6
That's a funny story. (Well maybe not for everybody). :eek:
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Originally Posted by NTFDAY
First of all many of these drivers had experience before running a fuel car so im not sure what you mean here. Secondly it was a different era performance wise and there wasnt a big talent pool to choose from YET!
Also, rules were made in a reactionary fashion, on the fly so to speak. According to most here it seems like the NHRA hasnt changed its rules much as far as driver qualifications go since the days of running in T-shirt and thats the way they like it.
The WJ story just kills me.... a few years back he flipped out ( i would do the same) when a few idiots helped them selves to his doors to his cars.
During rounds many PS take the doors off the car and hang them on the trailer . These guys saw them there and decided they wanted them to sell on ebay. They were busted outside the gate at Richmond and he pressed charges. Now his guys do it:LOL:
Back to the subject Neff will be fine just like Ashley will.
I have worked on a few Alky cars and 2 fuel cars. Everyone gets in over their head once in a while