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I thought I read somewhere that the base engine was 350 hp and the other option was a 400 hp v-8 , I'm not positive though.

I think the Chevy SS concept could put a little life back in the Performance bracket for GM. The Camaro will be back. Hopefully it wont be another Impala(DIE in 2K5-POSER!), but GM has this knack of bringin back the classics. Saldy though, no more cutlass! Ah well, the aurora is fast for now....

I agree with ya there. They bring them back but an Impala with a v-6 and front wheel drive? and how about the malibu , yikes.
Maybee the ss concept would mean something like special options and motor chioces like it did back then . Other than the vette does gm even produce any "muscle" any more?

What do you guys think of your new Pontiac GTO?
It's built over hear in oz as the Monaro which in itself harks back to the glory day of aussie muscle cars when the Monaro was a crude rubber burner fitted with a 350 chev.
GMH (the H stands for Holden) built up a few versions of the new Monaro/GTO with a 427.
Unfortunately they've scapped plans for full production.:CRY :
When it comes to chrome and body scoops etc we aussies like our cars a bit more underdone than you fellas and so I'd be interested in your opions.
Over here they're seen as a very desirable set of wheels.

Here's a pic of the aussie version.

Not to offend, pal, but that strikes me of honda civic/ Dodge neon styling there. Maybe with a touch of audi TT thrown in. Ah well, anything with a 350 cant be all bad.

Hmmm. Thought as much.
I've read similar comments about the car being too bland for American tastes.
Funny how what works in one counrty is a flop in others.
The Ford Taurus was a classic failure over here. Everybody hated it's styling and when Ford stupidly based their next locally produced Falcon on it they nearly went broke.

Don't lump us all in the same basket. For every punk kid with a Honda or other import out there acting like an ass, I can find you one Mustang/Camaro post-adolescent out there acting the same way.

Those of us who are into imports and to actually making them quick don't subscribe to the F%@# and the F%&#)@ crap--in fact, we probably despise it more-so than you do on the account that it gave us all a bad name.

I've been in this sport since around '94, and can attest that "movie" did everything but drive me away from the import scene. I can't count the times on my bodily digits that I've wanted to snap some little *%#*'s neck when they ask "Yo, man! That sh!t have NAAWS on it!?"

You'll also find that a lot of the more knowledgeable ones will also be the 1st to drool over some classic muscle.


As much as I like my quick imports, I also love me some big cubes.

Now back to searching for knowledge on this '72 C-10 project....

Edit: One more note. Don't think that there aren't a few of us "serious" import enthusiasts that don't like surprising some of the cocky domestic muscle owners as well.

We all view through the fence--just sometimes from different sides of it.

Originally posted by IROCZ28
for a quick recap...i totalled my 12 sec iroc-z28 and ended up getting a 1999 SS camaro...

took her down for some grudge match racing on wednesday night and was more than impressed. first pass i just did a dry-hop and didnt bother getting the tires hott, had a .547 reaction time,she spun a bit off the line and ended up rollin through the traps at a 13.57. My second pass i got the tires plenty hott and had a .522 light. she didnt spin one bit and ended up runnin a 13.23. My last pass for the night i had a .513 light with a quicker 60' time but ended up missin 3rd gear and sent the motor to the moon, i didnt even bother looking at the timeslip i was so pissed off.

now that thats out of the way i have to address a belief of mine. although there are no import freaks in here, i believe that they are the reason for the fall of the long lived camaro. as fred gibbs once said 'teenagers make cars... what they want, we build' keeping that in mind...how many teenagers now a days do you see rollin around in newer camaros, mustangs firebirds etc.
and no, im not forgeting the money issue, but a majority of the kids that can afford beautiful machines end up wasting it on 'nos' and 'cold air' and 'body-kits' and other shit that makes a honda look more hidious than ever. while at cecil county dragway on wednesday night the only impressive 4-banger i saw was a 1998 honda civic runnin on nitrous and he was more than proud when he posted a 14.32 e.t.

keep in mind...this kid was all decked out with his $400 watch, $200 shoes, a wanna-be brittany spears girlfriend, and the whole bit. but COME-ON its a damn civic with not even half the amount of motor i have and he probably has more money in after market parts than i bought my whole car for. but...i guess ill never figure out why they killed a once living legend, the camaro.

Sorry to hear about your Camaro. As for the other stuff, well, I know that I have already posted my opinion on this a few times and I still feel the same as I always did about it. I will say though, don't blame the ricers for the death of the beloved Camaro, blame their girlfriends. Ya'll may think I'm kidding but I'm not. Their girlfriends like the rice and so that's what they want.

Could guys spend money on old muscle to fix it up and turn in lower ets for less money???? Sure, then they'd be just like the rest of us "old timers". Then again, they could also do without video games, computers, color t.v., all 1500 channels of it, etc. Just like we did. Times change (unfortunately). They (the ricers) gotta be different than us; because being "new and different" is cool....and it pisses all of us off and that makes it even more attractive . You know, rebellion 'cause rebels are cool, rebels get the girls. I've said it before.....bling bling and sex.

Ricers and rap are this generations Muscle cars and Rock and Roll. Sad......but TRUE.

Now, before somebody says it....YES....there are exceptions and not everybody that's young is like that. Just like everybody that is "old" is not like me. I'm speaking in generalizations here, and I believe that what I am posting is generally true, not all inclusive.

As for me, I owned a Honda once. It burned to the ground on me one day and I've never wanted another one. I'll stick with the stuff that was cool way back when I was a kid......way back in the 70's and 80's. Besides that, there really aren't very many new domestic cars that I like either. I like the classic stuff, and in some cases re-introducing a model even with an attempt to style it well annoys me. I do like the SSR from GM and I also like the Avalanche (not that it is a muscle car) because they're "cool" if you know what I mean......I also actually like the new GTO's (not as much as the original) because, come on, it's rear wheel drive and 350 Hp from the factory....At least the manufacturers are trying to put some real power back out on the street. It's better than front wheel drive and 175 Hp isn't it?

Cheers,
Firechicken

Originally posted by Firechicken

Could guys spend money on old muscle to fix it up and turn in lower ets for less money???? Sure, then they'd be just like the rest of us "old timers".

It depends on what "Lower ETs" means. If you're talking 10s or better, you're probably right. The cubes really come in to play. However, a customer of mine just ran an 11.4 in his Grassroots motorsports challenge car (read, low-buck car buildup challenge)....stock 4 banger block/head.

I've built low 12 second/high 11 second import street cars for a lot less than you'd probably believe.

Not all of them are Hondas, and a pretty bulletproof 4 banger that's factory turbocharged makes the job pretty easy.

Now, if you would have said "class"--well, beauty is in the eye of the beholder, and someday, I too, would love to build a few older cars up when I find the time.

Mmm...the thoughts of the sounds that a BB with twin T-66s hanging off of it would make....

Originally posted by DSSA
It depends on what "Lower ETs" means. If you're talking 10s or better, you're probably right. The cubes really come in to play. However, a customer of mine just ran an 11.4 in his Grassroots motorsports challenge car (read, low-buck car buildup challenge)....stock 4 banger block/head.

I've built low 12 second/high 11 second import street cars for a lot less than you'd probably believe.

Not all of them are Hondas, and a pretty bulletproof 4 banger that's factory turbocharged makes the job pretty easy.

Part of the problem is that the 4Cylinders are more than just 4cylinders. Theyre Ricer-4 cylinders. There are two engines you might want to read up on. They're called the Iron Duke and the Quad 4. American, buletproof and they will take just about anything you throw at them. Need referance? just ask any 84-85 jeep cherokee 4 cylinder.

This thread has turned out to be a place for visiting rice-brains to unload the burdon of guilt they carry being at a real steel american car site. I don't care if they turn 6's on pump gas and get 50 miles to the gallon doing it for only $100 bucks. I WILL NEVER OWN ONE!! You will not sell me on them little critters because they sound like sewing machines on Steriods! It may be the latest and greatest thing, maybe even the best cars being made by factorys but they suck. People are constantly coming in here and trying thier best to convince people that ricers are fast there for they are great, Why? Why is that you suppose? Because they are men and they know in thier hearts what is REALLY COOL and what is imported and labeled cool.

Rice is best mixed with cream of chiken soup and onions and hot peppers and wrapped in a tort! Ummm good!

Originally posted by drg84
Part of the problem is that the 4Cylinders are more than just 4cylinders. Theyre Ricer-4 cylinders. There are two engines you might want to read up on. They're called the Iron Duke and the Quad 4.

What about them? Pretty common knowledge.

Originally posted by brickman
This thread has turned out to be a place for visiting rice-brains to unload the burdon of guilt they carry being at a real steel american car site. I don't care if they turn 6's on pump gas and get 50 miles to the gallon doing it for only $100 bucks. I WILL NEVER OWN ONE!! You will not sell me on them little critters because they sound like sewing machines on Steriods! It may be the latest and greatest thing, maybe even the best cars being made by factorys but they suck. People are constantly coming in here and trying thier best to convince people that ricers are fast there for they are great, Why? Why is that you suppose? Because they are men and they know in thier hearts what is REALLY COOL and what is imported and labeled cool.

Rice is best mixed with cream of chiken soup and onions and hot peppers and wrapped in a tort! Ummm good!

Thanks for the narrow-minded...well.....rant?

I'm glad you could get that off of your chest, and take an open minded discussion and turn it into a flame-fest.

No one's trying to convince you, or anyone else to own one, as I can see your limited intelligence would prevent you from learning much anyway.

This was never an open minded discussion. There are two sides that don't agree. Brikman gave his opinion on ricers. Most of us agree with him. This is a hot rod website and ricers are a different part of the automotive hobby. They will never be accepted as real hot rods.
I looked at ricers with an open mind several years ago and didn't like them so now that my mind is made up Ther's no chance anything you say will change my mind. Your mind is just operating at a lower level than mine so it looks good to you.
I don't go to ricer websites and tell them they should get a real car.
I have a fast Porsche but I don't try to sell the guys here on the advantages of German engineering and I don't tell the guys on the Porsche website that they should put a Chevy engine in their cars. If you want replies that agree with yours go to a ricer site.
As for the flame fest it looks like you are the first flamer not Brickman.