Does anybody know if the dry sump oiling pieces from the LS 7 can be used or adapted to any of the other LS engines???? Just thinking ahead for the '57.....
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Does anybody know if the dry sump oiling pieces from the LS 7 can be used or adapted to any of the other LS engines???? Just thinking ahead for the '57.....
Dave,
Are you wanting to use the specific LS7 pieces, or are you just looking for dry sump? ARE has a kit for LS1-6 engines for dry sump. May not be what you're looking for...LS Install Instructions
Just curious if the OEM parts are interchangeable from the LS 7 to the other LS engines---or if I should just be looking for an LS 7 engine....I want the dry sump so I can get the engine down lower in the chassis......
Looks to me like you can get whatever you need for any of the LS engines from ARE. Here's the page of their pans, series by series - "Chevrolet LS-1 / LS-7 Dry Sump Oil Pans
Thanks Rog!!! I looked through the site, some really nice stuff, for sure!!!! Guess it doesn't matter which engine I decide on, they make the parts=------even for a Ford 4.6 mod motor!!!!;););):LOL:
Dave, the best place to post this question is on LS1Tech.com. There is a huge amount of info there, the site is very, very active, you will probaly have an answer within minutes. I've been hanging out there for a few years and especially like the 'Conversions and Hybrids' section, it's amazing the different vehicles these LSx engines are being installed.
Mike
Dave--The LS7 dry sump engine has a pan, windage tray, pickup, dual oil pump, differant front cover, differant harmonic balancer AND a crank with a longer snout---
if you want to go the other way----after market---Aviaid has system and you don't need special crank or front cover/balancer---
If you want I can post or email pics of OEM stuff--I'll just need to dig out and photo all the pieces--
Thanks Mike, I've snooped around on there a few times, some very good information. Fairly well dialed in with the shop that will be doing the electronics, and (maybe) the Supercharger folks, too.... They've done a bunch of them and have both engine and chassis dyno results to show what various combinations will yield.... The only thing I don't like about the new LS engines is that Chevy came up a bit short on engineering and are still running pushrods in them......
Thanks Jerry, I have the LS 7 pics, and even a video of a complete engine with electronics and it's install..... Are you guys dealing in any of the LS hard part goodies yet????Quote:
Originally Posted by jerry clayton
Dave look at the 3rd page of pics in my gallery at the procharged LS camaro----over 1000 on engine dyno and something like 790 before SAE correction --idles 850 rpm!!!!!!!!!!! and the air cleaner is too small and just above the left side header
Already studied that one Jerry!!!! Gorgeous piece and numbers that are even better!!!!!!
Dave--we have 4 inch stroke cranks, callies rods and pistons for both normal and supercharged --we are doing several engines with the iron 6.0 block---think 418 cubes---------I'll see if Corey has any pics loaded in his computer
Some times the KISS theory is a good way to go. Hard to argue with success. Glad to see you are stepping into the LS world!Quote:
Originally Posted by Dave Severson
Pat
Yeah know Dave I asked the question on another forum if the LS's cost more than the first gen's SBC's to build.(alittle buyer remorse on my 383 first gen was the reason)I think I got a very good appropriate answer.They cost about the same as the first gen's when you consider the dollar/hp.In fact given how much better the LS's could be even cheaper and now that the LS's have been on the market for as long as they have been,the aftermarket pricing of parts will start to fall some.I think you on the right path using a LS for the 57.Should really wake up that car!!!. I'll be watching from the cheap seats.
Very true, Pat. Guess I just have to question why Chevy stayed with the cam in the valley... With all the design, R&D, and tooling costs they didn't go the next step and put the cam (cams) in the head and eliminate the inherent problems of a pushrod V-8???Quote:
Originally Posted by Stu Cool
As for stepping up into the world of LS, you can take the credit for that!!!! The LS install, performance, and mileage reports on your LS powered Stude pretty much did it for me!!! Hard to argue with those results!
Dave maybe they were thinking of production cost and keeping the engine size compact versus the big wide heads needed for OHC application?
Glad to know my project has inspired you. I have seen a number of 57s with LS motors, including an LS7. They fit so nice.
Pat
Yeah, I suppose it was cost considerations.... I've got a friend who works at a large salvage yard on the lookout for an LS 7. If I can't come up with one by the time the '57 needs a working engine, GM does sell them in crate form. A tad on the expensive side, but still a lot of engine for what you spend!!!!!! Depends on how the old bank account looks by then, I suppose!
Have you seen this? If you have the $$, you can go to a GM facility in Michigan and assemble your own LS7 or LS9. CHEVROLET PERFORMANCE OFFERS BUILD YOUR OWN LS7 OR LS9 CRATE ENGINE PROGRAM : The Official Website of the Super Chevy Show
You might also consider an LS3, you know how low Corvettes sit and with that pan you may get your 57 as low as you want with out the hassle of plumbing up the dry sump. LS3 is is 6.2 liter with 430 Hp or you can opt for the hot cam version and get a little more HP all for about $7k and that comes with a GM warranty. That's 1/2 the price of the LS7.
Pat
I've seen that, Pat! Stacy did an episode on Gearz concerning the GM program, neat deal! I've looked at the LS 3 and the LS X, both are good options. Ideally I'd like to start with a used LS 7 to get the good block and dry sump system, then go with a good set of pistons and appropriate head work and camshaft to work well with a blower.... Ultimately, I want a Hot Rod version of an LS 9.... The crate engines with warranty are of course the most practical and cost efficient way to go, but then I've never been accused of being either!!! Just too much 'racer' in me yet to go with the most sensible method, I guess.:LOL::LOL::LOL:
I have an LS3 with the Hot Cam....GM says 480hp. It is an estremely tractable engine....pulls from idle in high gear (but probably doesnt like it). Idles great with A/C on or off. With any injected engine/factory program map with the intake tract modified, I suggest a good remap.....it made significant difference in mine. I am anxious to get some race gas in it to see what affect that has.
mike in tucson
Thanks Mike!!!! In your opinion, with the right pistons, cam, and head work, what could your engine be making with a Whipple style supercharger on it and still remain street friendly????Quote:
Originally Posted by robot
I read one of the car mags saying that the LS platform is going to be the 350 of the future for the hot rodding world. It's a great piece; even the basic 5.3 LS truck engine has all forged internals, 6 bolt mains, aluminum heads that will outflow any 1st gen small block, 290hp right out of the box, and you can buy great running ones from any salvage yard for $500 or $600 bucks. That's hard to beat.
Gee Dave, I would have a tough time estimating such....i read the magazine reports of 600 hp.....and the stock GM supercharged package is pretty stout and driveable. For my car, there isnt enough tire to think about more horsepower...
These engines are cool but I still strongly suggest a competent tuner to finish it off....they are sensitive to turbulence in the intake tract (as are all engines). We tried three different MAFs, honeycomb, baffles, etc. but the final result was about 20 hours of a tuning guru's expertise. I didnt believe at first what an expert could do but he made a believer out of me.
mike
Yeah, got a guy for that. He did the tune up on the hemi I put in that '36 Plymouth that I built....It did 410 at the wheels with stock parts other then air intake and headers and the 'puter tune up!!! not too shabby for 5.7 L...
DAve---Heads and cam, your choice of what blower type package---from 600-1000, idles 850 rpm, fourth gear, 6500 rpm, 165 mph and do you really want to slap 5th and 6 th gear???
The LS pans vary by probably less than an inch--limit to ground clearance probably bell housing/flywheel-------
:LOL::LOL::LOL:You know I'll have to be able to pull that handle again, Jerry!!!! Cruise RPM on the interstate should make for some great mpg, and a fantastic top end should I ever decide to go someplace where it could actually be used!!!!!!;););)Quote:
Originally Posted by jerry clayton
(A B-Ville 200 mph club patch is still on my bucket list!)
Me too Dave, except I want to go 300 in my Cobra with supercharged LS7---------
I even got Nickey wanting to go with me to run a Camaro---------
If I can get the licensing and the short course 175 mph passes done the first time out there I hope to learn enough to decide how fast I could really build a car to go on the long course!!!! Way things are going right now I couldn't even pass the physical to drive the short course, but hopefully things will improve!
i have a fire breathing ls i am working on now course car only dry sump engine . seem s some one did not check the rocker stand hold down bolts :( told him i must run it down the road for a quality check after work is done :) you will know when i am done fixing it you may here me running threw the gears from your house:whacked:
Yep--I'm thinking I can do the preliminary stuff and get license work done up a little over 200 in my Firebird---It also shouldn't need too much in chassis work to pass tech--then can go back the next year to run the cobra---want to retate engine over 45* to the right so I can lengthen the cockpit foot box and get a more laid down driving position so just my nose up face is above cowl---------
Should work, Jerry... Are you trying to get there this year or next???
Well, I had hoped this year, but as things are going---probably next year--things to sort out--run my old engine? build up the LS to a preliminary level?(HP in question) I know what the old one does---new one??? best idea would be take car with old engine and take new engine along and do a swap after license,,, then use any available time for shaking down new set up---Rear gears-spool or open??? Leave the firebird body or do a new carbon fiber camero??(sponser!) I've already had discussions with some folks and I can get 2 halves of a body and then join them up a bit narrower(10-12 inches)
Sure would be cool Jerry if you could get World to jump on as a sponsor to build up one of their War Hawk engines.Quote:
Originally Posted by jerry clayton
I'll never be ready this year, doubt I'll even be back on the '57 by B-Ville time......