Thanks for all the input you guys, boy there are some really varied opionions on this topic.

Don in buying 2 to 3 a week at work do they work out well?

Pat, I appreciate what you are saying but Bay City is probably 5 hrs one way for me I guess there are plenty of builders around here also. I just thought the crate seemed like a great plan, we mostly just putt around probably haven't been over 3000RPM's for years.
Haven't totally decided yet but still leaning in that crate direction.
Thanks again