well i reckon if i take a pushrod and fit it up under the rocker i'll know if the lifter is in place or not in short order. the lock down nut on the poly lock was loose. the kid i bought it from had just adjusted everything a couple of weeks ago. it's conceivable or probable he missed locking it down. makes me wonder what else is not locked down. sunday i'll try and fish for the pushrod and readjust everything. if the fishing is off then i gurss the manifold will have to be too. this winter i'm gonna pull the whole works out and redo everything. this motor was originally a tpi and they used that harness leaving wires and sensors hanging out all over the place. why waste youth on the young? george bernard shaw