Quote Originally Posted by lt1s10
the way i see that matt is, what ever the 1:1 gear is, when thats that the trans is. if 3rd gear is 1:1 and there is another gear then thats a 3 speed with overdrive. if 1:1 is 4th gear with another gear then its a 4 speed with overdrive, maybe that started back when you had to pull a cable to get overdrive.
that's the way I see it to. same as if a trans has a granny first, if it's so low you start in 2nd, then it's a 3 spd low not a 4spd. granite, with the granada/ monarch 4spd you could still pound through all 4 gears if you wanted, they are a light duty top loader a lot of the insides will swap between the true toploader 4spd.