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Nine page thread in 1 day. Purdy' big thread I'd say. Gonna take a big block to pull this 1. :LOL: :LOL: :LOL: :LOL:
how about a blown straight 6!
I think a 2 liter civic with a hair dryer could handle it too. NO wait, my mistake, that's my diet pepsi bottle. :whacked:
Decrepitly, Oldman2 comments that I was running my '35 3 window at San Fernando and Pomona 2 years before Dave was sitting in his karts. I think I'll drink some milk and go to bed.
Art
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Originally posted by Dave Severson
Well, I'd been racing, drag and circle burners, 3 years before you were born, Erik (your profile sez 1968)......How do you think I feel????
For what it's worth, I was racing karts 8 years before you were born......
Age is all relative, I guess.....
Yeah, 1958, same year I was rollin' around in the back seat of my '47 dodge with Betty Willis :LOL: Ken and I were workin' the dragstrip on weekends. I was techin' and Ken was flaggin'.Quote:
Originally posted by oldman2
Decrepitly, Oldman2 comments that I was running my '35 3 window at San Fernando and Pomona 2 years before Dave was sitting in his karts. I think I'll drink some milk and go to bed.
Art
And dodging. :LOL: :LOL: :LOL:Quote:
Originally posted by techinspector1
Yeah, 1958, same year I was rollin' around in the back seat of my '47 dodge with Betty Willis :LOL: Ken and I were workin' the dragstrip on weekends. I was techin' and Ken was flaggin'.
At least you had the luxury of a back seat. It's a lot easier than working around the steering wheel and floor shift. Oddly enough, I was rolling around with Jeanette Willis. I wonder if they were distantly related????
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Originally posted by techinspector1
Yeah, 1958, same year I was rollin' around in the back seat of my '47 dodge with Betty Willis :LOL: Ken and I were workin' the dragstrip on weekends. I was techin' and Ken was flaggin'.
Had to be. I think all those Willis girls were hell on wheels :LOL:Quote:
Originally posted by oldman2
At least you had the luxury of a back seat. It's a lot easier than working around the steering wheel and floor shift. Oddly enough, I was rolling around with Jeanette Willis. I wonder if they were distantly related????
:LOL::LOL::LOL:Quote:
Originally posted by NTFDAY
And dodging. :LOL: :LOL: :LOL:
Mine was easy to identify. She had a black and blue mark in the shape of a Ford shift knob permenantly embossed on her right buttock.
Art
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Originally posted by techinspector1
Had to be. I think all those Willis girls were hell on wheels :LOL:
:LOL: oh la la:LOL:
I'm not sure about the la la, but I can confirm the oh, oh, oh, oh. :LOL: :LOL: :LOL: :LOL:Quote:
Originally posted by gassersrule_196
:LOL: oh la la:LOL:
That hit the nail on the head. Who said anything about a big block? Reread. I'll finish reading now.Quote:
Originally posted by Stu Cool
I think the original posters point was not necessarily between Big blocks and small blocks. 383 or 406 SBC weighs the same as as a 327, 302 or 283. It will also cost about the same to build and modify. The end result in most cases the bigger motor will produce more power. In fact it will generally cost more to pull 350 hp out of a 302 than it will to pull that same power out of a 383. I think the poster makes a good point and did not perceive his purpose as telling others what to do, only stating his personal advice. I happen to agree with him. I have seen small motors out run big motors too, but in most cases the old addage that there is no substitute for cubic inches is true, unless you add in other limitations or factors.
as always, read my sig line
Pat
When did a 383 become a big block?Quote:
Originally posted by DennyW
I think, no matter what you build, if you do it right, it's gonna be the best it can, on power, and mileage, no matter what the size. But, you need to start at the power source, and work your way back to the end, to get it all right. :LOL:
:LOL: Besides, Big Blocks won't fit in everything. :LOL: :LOL:
In fact it will generally cost more to pull 350 hp out of a 302 than it will to pull that same power out of a 383.
yeah ok:LOL: :LOL: 350 out of a 302 is EASSSSSSY
:LOL:
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Originally posted by NTFDAY
I'm not sure about the la la, but I can confirm the oh, oh, oh, oh. :LOL: :LOL: :LOL: :LOL:
Can some of you people not read?? No where in my original thread says get rid of your small block and build a big block. I also state that if you want to build a screaming 265-327, do it. It also says that it's your money, build what YOU want.
I never stated no where in my post that you couldn't make a small cube engine run. If you want to take a 283 and put 12.5:1 domes in it, do it. It will run, but I can do the same thing for the same money to a 383 SMALL BLOCK and make more torque/hp.
Most people that ask questions about putting a combo together don't have enough experience/knowledge to build a 8500 RPM 283 to out run a 6500 RPM 383.
This post was directed to the inexperienced engine builder. It was written so that inexperienced engine builders could consider the possibilities available.
Which engine will last longer?? A 500 hp 283 that needs to spin to 7500 to make it's power or a 500 hp 383 that needs to spin to 6200 RPM to make it's power.
One hp per cubic inch is a easy goal and will make a long lasting, dependable street engine. The more cubes, the better. In my book, 383 HP beats 283 HP any day.
LIKE I STATED BEFORE, IT'S YOUR MONEY, BUILD WHAT YOU WANT. Just remember, the more hp per cubic inch you build, the less dependable/streetable the engine becomes.
yeah ok:LOL: :LOL: 350 out of a 383 is EASSSIIIIEEERRRRQuote:
Originally posted by gassersrule_196
In fact it will generally cost more to pull 350 hp out of a 302 than it will to pull that same power out of a 383.
yeah ok:LOL: :LOL: 350 out of a 302 is EASSSSSSY
DID YOU NOT READ THE BOTTOM OF THE THREAD. I'M FAR FROM CLOSED MINDED. I LIKE THE WHINE OF 8500 RPM 283, BUT IT WON'T HOLD UP AS WELL AS A LARGER CUBIC INCH ENGINE AT THE SAME HP LEVEL.Quote:
Originally posted by RJ & CJ
So, just plain ol' wanting to does not count as a reason in your book? And what about, ohhhh, doing something new, something someone else has not. What about those guys in GN's running faster than many around with thier little turbo 6cyl motors? I believe CI's are the easier route as well, but I also feel that you, as a single individual, have no room to come in here and tell everyone that there are only three pre-set reasons as to why they should build anything below 350CI.
I personally, feel that you wasted time and money making this thread. You paid for the internet connection to do it with, and you wasted the time writing it. See how opinions differ?
Big cubes are cool, awesome and convenient, but being closed-minded and one sided is not.
I AM CURRENTLY BUILDING A 262 V-6 TO MAKE A LOT OF HP BUT THAT'S NOT THE ROUTE I WOULD RECOMMEND TO SOMEONE AS IT WILL NOT HOLD UP. IT WILL BE 14:1 AND RUNNING NITROUS, I KNOW IT WON'T HOLD UP AND I ACCEPT THAT.
THE HP PER CUBIC INCH IS WHERE THE COST COMES IN. ONE HP PER CUBIC INCH RESULTS IN A DEPENDABLE, STREETABLE, DAILY DRIVEN VEHICLE THAT WILL LAST FOR A LONG TIME.Quote:
Originally posted by lt1s10
for every cu. in. you put under the hood, there is extra cost all the way to the rear wheels to maintain it, and make it work. in other words it cost more to run a big block.
A 383 is a big block...Mopar has been building them for years. There are many more good engines in this world besides a chebbie!!!
One hp per cube is indeed practical. However Mike and I were responding to the responses saying the 500 and 600 cube hi performance big blocks destroy stock drivelines.
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This was my point about 30 posts before.I am not sure what happened but we really went to town posting on anything and everything.I tried to tell people about the word cycles but it was lost along time ago.Please help us.:LOL:Quote:
Originally posted by camaro_fever68
Can some of you people not read?? No where in my original thread says get rid of your small block and build a big block. I also state that if you want to build a screaming 265-327, do it. It also says that it's your money, build what YOU want.
I never stated no where in my post that you couldn't make a small cube engine run. If you want to take a 283 and put 12.5:1 domes in it, do it. It will run, but I can do the same thing for the same money to a 383 SMALL BLOCK and make more torque/hp.
Most people that ask questions about putting a combo together don't have enough experience/knowledge to build a 8500 RPM 283 to out run a 6500 RPM 383.
This post was directed to the inexperienced engine builder. It was written so that inexperienced engine builders could consider the possibilities available.
Which engine will last longer?? A 500 hp 283 that needs to spin to 7500 to make it's power or a 500 hp 383 that needs to spin to 6200 RPM to make it's power.
One hp per cubic inch is a easy goal and will make a long lasting, dependable street engine. The more cubes, the better. In my book, 383 HP beats 283 HP any day.
LIKE I STATED BEFORE, IT'S YOUR MONEY, BUILD WHAT YOU WANT. Just remember, the more hp per cubic inch you build, the less dependable/streetable the engine becomes.
Good Morning, Erik!!!! how was your nap??? Wanna help me with some flow numbers, gonna start a new thread....
yes i do :whacked:Quote:
Originally posted by DennyW
:LOL: Maybe everyone has cabin fever, and are board. :LOL: :LOL:
yes i do :HMMM: i think oh well i think some of us wanted to get some thing off are mines :HMMM: yes thank you .i do feel much better now:whacked:Quote:
Originally posted by erik erikson
This was my point about 30 posts before.I am not sure what happened but we really went to town posting on anything and everything.I tried to tell people about the word cycles but it was lost along time ago.Please help us.:LOL:
Well, it was a long boring Saturday night and now we now that none of us will ever agree on what constitutes the perfect combination!!!! And that's the good news, without different opinions we would never have to "take it to the street" to prove a point!!!!!!;) ;)
ok you are right, but all i want to do is build them. someone else can loose there driving license:LOL:Quote:
Originally posted by Dave Severson
Well, it was a long boring Saturday night and now we now that none of us will ever agree on what constitutes the perfect combination!!!! And that's the good news, without different opinions we would never have to "take it to the street" to prove a point!!!!!!;) ;)
Ummmmmm. Well yes. I have found myself in the "non-licensed driver" situation a couple times..........Quote:
Originally posted by pat mccarthy
ok you are right, but all i want to do is build them. someone else can loose there driving license:LOL:
pat, far as i know 600 hp is 600 hp, if you got a 600 HP motor that won't spin a "dot tire,"(or a tire that will pass a st. insp. test) then either you dont have 600 hp, or its de tuned so much it won't spin. a de tuned motor on the st. is no good to you, because all you're doing is moving the power band up, and between stop light to stop light you'll never get to use it, so why do it other than bragging rights, and that's ok to, just as long as you call it that. bragging rights don't out run nothing. i don't call putting slicks on a car as st. racing.Quote:
Originally posted by pat mccarthy
who runs stock drive lines ?? no one want to hear from me i have been here done it. stock ford 9 resplined 31 no crush sleeve stock ford case .1 you can never hook a big engine on the street ? may be you would like the phone numer of the people that seen this ?2 someone said you need to detune a 600 cid engine for the street??? no if you build it for the street you do not .3 a small block can beat a big engine ? have not been to any truck pulls? small engine are cheap to run that is aboat load $hit. i help on a small block rail them $400 set valve springs were cheap .ran two set thru it on a test. and tune day a small engine can beat a big one yes this dos happen . you may have a better chance hitting the lotto if the car is set up the big engine that make tq will get there faster. big engine are not peaky they have tq and hp line that run up not down .i love here hear guys talk and say i had you but you just keep comming and i had no more . and you just kept comming? that would be called good tq line ?? and one more guy in town had a 350 in 69 chevelle he want to go again first time i kill him so bad . so it is on .he shows up the car is gutted like a fish. and slicks and nos. no ex did not know about that nos.i have my gto fresh from a mich snow bank stock tires on the back and no nos full ex out the back all steel gto and my 250 pound friend. what happen well he pull me by two car and i cache him after he tried run me off the road it was a tie if you ask iam sure he would have wanted a ride home in my car it had a heater still in it and wipers and it did start to snow to he had sicks :LOL:
was talking 600 cid not hp and yes they spin a bit but it is moving to to bad you do not live here mike i would be happy to give you a rid:3dSMILE:and i would let you pick the car they both make ove 750 hp even on a bad day:3dSMILE:read what i posted my car had stock steet tires not slicks and a stock 454 with a cam this was 20 years ago and i think the comp bfg will pass but this i do know there are no test here in bay cityQuote:
Originally posted by lt1s10
pat, far as i know 600 hp is 600 hp, if you got a 600 HP motor that won't spin a "dot tire,"(or a tire that will pass a st. insp. test) then either you dont have 600 hp, or its de tuned so much it won't spin. a de tuned motor on the st. is no good to you, because all you're doing is moving the power band up, and between stop light to stop light you'll never get to use it, so why do it other than bragging rights, and that's ok to, just as long as you call it that. bragging rights don't out run nothing. i don't call putting slicks on a car as st. racing.
i.ve raced side by side on dirt at 130 mph so you're not gonna show me much. i drove a 600 hp motor on the st. every day for 20 yrs, so i have a pretty good idea what it takes to try to hook it up. ill say it again, if you have 600hp+ hooked up with a st. tire, then you dont have 600 hp. if its built so it want spin on the st. then you have a top end motor which is no good to you on the st., you're not using 600 hp.Quote:
Originally posted by pat mccarthy
was talking 600 cid not hp and yes they spin a bit but it is moving to to bad you do not live here mike i would be happy to give you a rid:3dSMILE:and i would let you pick the car they both make ove 750 hp even on a bad day:3dSMILE:
will i guess i can not show you nothing and you tell me any thing good dayQuote:
Originally posted by lt1s10
i.ve raced side by side on dirt at 130 mph so you're not gonna show me much. i drove a 600 hp motor on the st. every day for 20 yrs, so i have a pretty good idea what it takes to try to hook it up. ill say it again, if you have 600hp+ hooked up with a st. tire, then you dont have 600 hp. if its built so it want spin on the st. then you have a top end motor which is no good to you on the st., you're not using 600 hp.
get yourself one of these. :HMMM: :LOL:Quote:
Originally posted by pat mccarthy
will i guess i can not show you nothing and you tell me any thing good day
Me too, Mike!!!! and there ain't nothing like it for thrills!!!!! Even more fun then anything you could do with your clothes off!!!!! Our last sprinter (1978) was 610 dyno horse in a 1600 Lb. car......Very low horse and heavy weight by today's standards.... I can only imagine what 750 horse in a 1400 pound car feels like!!!!!Quote:
Originally posted by lt1s10
i.ve raced side by side on dirt at 130 mph so you're not gonna show me much. i drove a 600 hp motor on the st. every day for 20 yrs, so i have a pretty good idea what it takes to try to hook it up. ill say it again, if you have 600hp+ hooked up with a st. tire, then you dont have 600 hp. if its built so it want spin on the st. then you have a top end motor which is no good to you on the st., you're not using 600 hp.
Sure,I can help.What do you have in mind?Quote:
Originally posted by Dave Severson
Good Morning, Erik!!!! how was your nap??? Wanna help me with some flow numbers, gonna start a new thread....
Erik, I started a new thread "for the engine guru's" trying to garner some opinions on cylinder heads......
you were going quicker than i was, sometimes i wish i hadn't ever raced, because it made everything else kinda boring. **)Quote:
Originally posted by Dave Severson
Me too, Mike!!!! and there ain't nothing like it for thrills!!!!! Even more fun then anything you could do with your clothes off!!!!! Our last sprinter (1978) was 610 dyno horse in a 1600 Lb. car......Very low horse and heavy weight by today's standards.... I can only imagine what 750 horse in a 1400 pound car feels like!!!!!