Thanks for all the replies. I will try and drill them out for now. Thank you Inspector I did not even think about drilling part of the way with the bigger bit. I do have another stupid question. How do you get them buggers out? I have soaked them in WD, diesel, applied a little heat aound them. Tried Allen wrench, allen socket, (broke 1/4" to 3"8" adapter. Any special tricks to get them out. Thanks, Ronnie